Asking someone where they are from

So just throwing it out there. If you aren't African, don't know where in Africa your ancestors come from, is dressing that way not cultural appropriation? :D This is a joke btw.
 
I think it’s right to interpret the transcript in the context of SH moving her hair in the preceding moments.

I imagine Ngozi was (rightfully) a little frosty after that and probably unwilling to engage in conversations regarding her heritage and descent, to satisfy the curiosity of someone who had no regard for her own personal space. Ngozi could have been more accommodating, but she wasn’t obliged to discuss such matters at all.

SH then dug her own ditch with her choice of language.

Separately, are we moving towards attacks on Ngozi’s character, as well as relying on an absence of SH’s unknown character to somehow mitigate what happened?

The only thing that matters was the interaction that took place in the room.
 
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danlightbulb said:
Are you able to say why you think the event was mildly racist by referring to the part of the definition of racism that it meets?

Also how can you have a non-racist person committing a racist act? That doesn't really make sense - the person is accountable for their actions so if the act was racist, the person was racist (at that moment).
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VincentHanna said:
I think some people here think you have to hate black people to be racist. Like a white supremacist.

But Racism isn't necessarily antagonist behaviour, it's also prejudice.

The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.

I don't think this 83 year old woman hated black people, but she probably didn't ask the same question to any of the white people there.
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danlightbulb said:
Both.

Marlene Headley to Ngozi Fulani.




Are you able to say why you think the event was mildly racist by referring to the part of the definition of racism that it meets?

Also how can you have a non-racist person committing a racist act? That doesn't really make sense - the person is accountable for their actions so if the act was racist, the person was racist (at that moment).
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“prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,”

For refusing to accept her answer that she was British on multiple occasions. Insinuating she isn’t really from here, and the answer must be somewhere in Africa, and antagonised her until she got that answer. Prejudice 101
 
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Lysander said:
This is similar to what I think. She knew what Hussey meant but took a quick dislike to her, decided to make life difficult for her and then started this ****storm to get back at her and promote her charity. I wouldn't have said so initially but such a meal has been made out of this that I find it hard to think otherwise.



Shake it, baby.
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I think this sums it up perfectly.
 
Tony Edwards said:
The YOU cant be British as you are BLACK. That bit.
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That isn't what happened in the transcript, you are inferring that intention yourself.
Nitefly said:
The only thing that matters was the interaction that took place in the room.
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Agreed, and we've all agreed it was rude etc, but it doesn't meet the definition of racism. So there is only one right answer from an objective assessment.
 
Nitefly said:
I think it’s right to interpret the transcript in the context of SH moving her hair in the preceding moments.

I imagine Ngozi was (rightfully) a little frosty after that and probably unwilling to engage in conversations regarding her heritage and descent, to satisfy the curiosity of someone who had no regard for her own personal space. Ngozi could have been more accommodating, but she wasn’t obliged to discuss such matters at all.

SH then dug her own ditch with her choice of language.

Separately, are we moving towards attacks on Ngozi’s character, as well as relying on an absence of SH’s unknown character to somehow mitigate what happened?

The only thing that matters was the interaction that took place in the room.
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The thing is as well she wasnt there as part of an African commity she was there due to her charity.
 
The palace need to be a lot more selective as to who they invite, a bit of background checking would have shown this woman to have anti British attitudes and a liability to offer an invitation to. A troublemaker and agitator with a self written resume to that effect. Some selectivity could have avoided giving canvas to her distasteful display and histrionics.
 
Craterloads said:
“prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,”

For refusing to accept her answer that she was British on multiple occasions. Insinuating she isn’t really from here, and the answer must be somewhere in Africa, and antagonised her until she got that answer.
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Ok now getting somewhere.

Now look at the definition of prejudice. "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience". In this case, A was head to toe in African dress, so there WAS a reason for the preconceived opinion from B that she was from Africa. So that criteria is not met.

Discrimination - "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.". Well there is prejudice again, which we've established above was not met as a condition. What about the word 'unjust'? Unjust - "not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair." Is it unjust to ask someone where they are from and press the issue? It might be rude and arrogant but its not fundamentally morally unjust.

The third part - antagonism - "active hostility or opposition" - we have agreed the conversation appears to have been quite hostile, but was that hostility because the person was black or just a frustration on the actual confusing nature of the conversation? If it was because A was black, then to prove that we would have to establish an implicit hatred of black people from B, which we can't establish through this one event, so there is no evidence to support this.


There is no direct evidence that any of these criteria are met. Innocent until proven guilty in our system - the act was not racist.
 
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