Asking someone where they are from

Chuk_Chuk said:
Which one of her names did she change? Her first name only, surname only or both?
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I saw that on Twitter, I don't know if remotely true, but piecing it together, alledgedly her birthname is Marlene Fulani, she married and became Marlene Headley, she then took her maiden name, and changed her first name to Ngozi.. But who knows, (or cares at this point).
 
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Tony Edwards said:
Why am I expected to repeat the same answers again and again and again?

people are not naturally racist you have to be taught or trained yourself to be that way. Its the same way some people are scared of little spiders.
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Interesting, no such thing as unconscious bias? Thought that was a big thing for you guys?
 
danlightbulb said:
Ok now getting somewhere.

Now look at the definition of prejudice. "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience". In this case, A was head to toe in African dress, so there WAS a reason for the preconceived opinion from B that she was from Africa. So that criteria is not met.

Discrimination - "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.". Well there is prejudice again, which we've established above was not met as a condition. What about the word 'unjust'? Unjust - "not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair." Is it unjust to ask someone where they are from and press the issue? It might be rude and arrogant but its not fundamentally morally unjust.

The third part - antagonism - "active hostility or opposition" - we have agreed the conversation appears to have been quite hostile, but was that hostility because the person was black or just a frustration on the actual confusing nature of the conversation?


There is no direct evidence that any of these criteria are met. Innocent until proven guilty in our system - the act was not racist.
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Nope

Prejudice. She answered her in fluent English multiple times. That ended the first time she answered she was from here. Asking where she was really from crossed the line. Criteria met

“We” haven’t established anything, you have declared something hasn’t been met which I disagree with.

Same would apply to the latter parts.

Finishing off we finally got there! Was quite antagonising.

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with the conversation

Lady SH: “Where are you from?”
Ms Fulani: “Sistah Space.”
SH: “No where do you come from?

Ms Fulani: “We’re based in Hackney.”
SH: “No, what part of Africa are YOU from?”
Ms Fulani: “I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records.”
SH: “Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?”

Ms Fulani: “Here, UK”
SH: “No, but what Nationality are you?”
Ms Fulani: “I am born here and am British.”
SH: “No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?”

Ms Fulani: “‘My people’, lady, what is this?”
SH: “Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?”
Ms Fulani: “Lady! I am a British national, my parents came here in the 50’s when…”
SH: “Oh, I knew we’d get there in the end, you’re Caribbean!”

Ms Fulani: “No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.”
SH: “Oh so you’re from….”
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Craterloads said:
Nope

Prejudice. She answered her in fluent English multiple times. That ended the first time she answered she was from here. Asking where she was really from crossed the line. Criteria met
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Nope it hasn't been met. Are you saying someone actually from Africa can't have perfect English? That's quite prejudiced isn't it?
 
Craterloads said:
“prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,”

For refusing to accept her answer that she was British on multiple occasions. Insinuating she isn’t really from here, and the answer must be somewhere in Africa, and antagonised her until she got that answer. Prejudice 101
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Technically correct from a syntactical perspective. However, when looking at the interaction objectively any man and their dog knows what is being asked after at least the second rebutal, so choosing to assume the ladies poor choice of words meant she didn't accept the woman was British (the racism part) is disigenuous.
 
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