Asking someone where they are from

[Hawk Tuah]

Yes, 'where in Africa are you from' would be a wholly inappropriate question in general. However, the original story is missing one whopping element of context here. She's at the event wearing a traditional African outfit.

If someone turns up to an event wearing a kilt, asking them where in Scotland they come from isn't racist or prejudiced.

Perhaps a better follow up remark would have been 'Oh, I didn't realise we were doing fancy dress'.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

She answered her in fluent English multiple times

The Irony that we are talking about Racism and being Prejudice; and this line keeps getting trotted out.

 

[SpeedFreak]

Nope it hasn't been met. Are you saying someone actually from Africa can't have perfect English? That's quite prejudiced isn't it?

In fairness I find most immigrants to have better English than "native" British people

 

[Craterloads]

Technically correct from a syntactical perspective. However, when looking at the interaction objectively any man and their dog knows what is being asked after at least the second rebutal, so choosing to assume the ladies poor choice of words meant she didn't accept the woman was British (the racism part) is disigenuous.

I genuinely wouldn’t. I would be as bemused as her. If someone asks me where am I from, even with my brown skin, my only thought would be the town / city I am from. Not what parts of Asia my grand parents heralded from.

 

[Tony Edwards]

The reaction from the usual suspects in this thread seems actually worse than some 83 year old women asking a black women where she is really from.

 

[danlightbulb]

Perhaps you should focus your energy on the part where she answered her.

I did also edit my original post to answer the antagonist part of it as well. Will quote myself:

the third part - antagonism - "active hostility or opposition" - we have agreed the conversation appears to have been quite hostile, but was that hostility because the person was black or just a frustration on the actual confusing nature of the conversation? If it was because A was black, then to prove that we would have to establish an implicit hatred of black people from B, which we can't establish through this one event, so there is no evidence to support this.

Would a charge of racism against SH get though a formal legal court hearing do you think, on the strength of the evidence you are saying is there?

 

[NVP]

I genuinely wouldn’t. I would be as bemused as her. If someone asks me where am I from, even with my brown skin, my only thought would be the town / city I am from. Not what parts of Asia my grand parents heralded from.

Now that's the thing, I've been asked it multiple times and it's pretty obvious what they're asking. They're curious, simple.

Edit: Although, surely by the third repetition you'd understand what they were asking? Like the majority of us.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

The reaction from the usual suspects in this thread seems actually worse than some 83 year old women asking a black women where she is really from.

The blinkered virtue signalling from those unwilling to read the facts is equally as unsurprising.

 

[Tony Edwards]

The blinkered virtue signalling from those unwilling to read the facts is equally as unsurprising.

Exactly. Virtue signalling racist views is bad.

 

[Angilion]

Considering the history and bad blood between the Igbo and Fulani people, that is kind of funny.

The fashionably "progressive" view is that (a) Africa is all the same, a single place and (b) everyone of the same "race" is the same. The complexity of reality has no place in that belief system.

 

[Craterloads]

Now that's the thing, I've been asked it multiple times and it's pretty obvious what they're asking. They're curious, simple.

Edit: Although, surely by the third repetition you'd understand what they were asking? Like the majority of us.

Perhaps that’s your mentality, my mentality is here and that’s all I know. If someone wanted to ask about heritage they can ask that. So to that question by Lady H, that would be my answer without any “knowing what they really want to ask”

Perhaps by the umpteenth repetition she was annoyed at not being believed she is British.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Perhaps that’s your mentality, my mentality is here and that’s all I know. If someone wanted to ask about heritage they can ask that. So to that question, that would be my answer without any “knowing what they really want to ask”

Perhaps by the umpteenth repetition she was annoyed at not being believed she is British.

Then why is she wearing what she was to a formal event?

This isn't a case of a random black person being asked where in Africa they come from.

 

[Jono8]

I genuinely wouldn’t. I would be as bemused as her. If someone asks me where am I from, even with my brown skin, my only thought would be the town / city I am from. Not what parts of Asia my grand parents heralded from.

This. If I was in England talking to someone else who I assumed lived here, I would say which area of the country.

I'd only say the UK, if I was on holiday/abroad and was asked by someone who I presumed didn't live in the UK.

 

[JRS]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598261063270780929

 

[Craterloads]

Then why is she wearing what she was to a formal event?

This isn't a case of a random black person being asked where in Africa they come from.

Women in my family often wear shalwar kameez, it’s normal. In fact some wear it to work, to play, whilst eating, at events and gatherings.

 

[danlightbulb]

Perhaps by the umpteenth repetition she was annoyed at not being believed she is British.

Where is it shown she wasn't believed?

If SH was asking about heritage, then nowhere does that suggest she was rejecting A's Britishness.

Its an assumption from A if that is how she perceived the conversation. SH had a hand in that through poor wording, but nowhere is there a direct or implied rejection of A's being British.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Women in my family often wear shalwar kameez, it’s normal. In fact some wear it to work, to play, whilst eating, at events and gatherings.

Is that the Asian equivalent of a Gucci belt?

 

[andybird123]

“prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,”

For refusing to accept her answer that she was British on multiple occasions. Insinuating she isn’t really from here, and the answer must be somewhere in Africa, and antagonised her until she got that answer. Prejudice 101

The problem is using that logic, both parties were being racist, as lying and being deliberately obtuse in her answers because the person asking was an elderly white woman could also be construed as antagonising.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Yes, 'where in Africa are you from' would be a wholly inappropriate question in general. However, the original story is missing one whopping element of context here. She's at the event wearing a traditional African outfit.

If someone turns up to an event wearing a kilt, asking them where in Scotland they come from isn't racist or prejudiced.

Perhaps a better follow up remark would have been 'Oh, I didn't realise we were doing fancy dress'.

There is no missing piece to the story. If someone was wearing a kilt and you said where are you from and the said britain would that be an okay answer?

Now that's the thing, I've been asked it multiple times and it's pretty obvious what they're asking. They're curious, simple.

Edit: Although, surely by the third repetition you'd understand what they were asking? Like the majority of us.

It was a charity event not a get to know minorities event.

If I asked you where you are from and you said some where abroad I would first give you a silly look then say. Christ thats a bit of a journey. Do you do that everyday?

 

[Demon]

Have you actually watched it all ? NO

To be fair, that's Farage saying she must have taped it.. not that there is clear evidence she did record it.

I'm sure (at this point with no other evidence available, but please post if there is!) that was just NF's recount of the converation, so expect some embellishment and some inaccuracy, but I'm sure the overall gist should have stayed in tact..