Asking someone where they are from

[dowie]

Having heard her talk, she sounds British, so it's a fair bet that wasn't the case at all.

Indeed, it's obviously wrong, plus the gist of it was that she did eventually give some answer about her heritage which satisfied the question! Minusorange has gone off on some bizarre tangent with this particular claim.

Did they ask if you identified with any other cultures?

LOL That's the other thing, IIRC that was Jono's suggestion for how to ask. With this NF it wouldn't have necessarily got the answer Lady SH wanted, NF seems to identify with several African cultures!

 

[Efour]

This guy and the Sargon of Akkad douche completely and utterly get it.


I get asked where do I come from on a weekly basis. My other half laughs when I say Boden... And I get asked no where do I really come from my Swedish accent sucks... Lol

 

[StriderX]

Sargon hasn't gotten anything his entire life.

EZ Gotem.

 

[Efour]

Sargon hasn't gotten anything his entire life.

EZ Gotem.

Lol

 

[Jono8]

then what is the most likely interpretation?

That she has an ingrained old fashioned viewpoint that a black woman couldn't possibly "come from" UK.

Do you think that it is not possible for a black person to say they come from the UK? Like, really come from the UK?

 

[Jono8]

Only when obviously being asked about heritage I told them what company I worked for or gave my current address as an obviously confrontational answer.

No, this is just a really stupid take. She was not obviously asked about her heritage at first, at all.

In the context of the event, being asked what company/charity you are from is the most likely question to be asked when first being introduced.

 

[NVP]

That she has an ingrained old fashioned viewpoint that a black woman couldn't possibly "come from" UK.

Unfortunately I think you're in the minority when taking that interpretation of an extremely common question asked in a clumsy, old fashioned way. It appears to be quite a common question globally where normal people are able to glean the meaning from the context, just like everyone else who read the transcript.

Your stubborness to conceed any type of point is really projecting the idiocy in your thought process.

Do you think that it is not possible for a black person to say they come from the UK? Like, really come from the UK?

What makes you ask me this question? Just to clarify, you're talking to someone who has been the victim of real racism growing up and being called a black ******* when walking the street or going into a pub. Racists don't care where I came from. So what are you trying to imply with this silly question?

 

[Jono8]

Unfortunately I think you're in the minority when taking that interpretation of an extremely common question asked in a clumsy, old fashioned way. It appears to be quite a common question globally where the common folk are able to glean the meaning from the context, just like everyone else who read the transcript.

You stubborness to conceed any type of point is really projecting the idiocy in your thought process.

Thats a weak argument. I could just as easily say your stubborness to only see it from your point of view is "idiocy" as well.

What makes you ask me this question? Just to clarify, you're talking to someone who has been the victim of real racism growing up and being called a black ******* when walking the street or going into a pub. Racists don't care where I came from. So what are you trying to imply with this silly question?

It isnt a silly question. It is the question that surrounds this entire debate. Are you going to answer it?

 

[NVP]

Thats a weak argument. I could just as easily say your stubborness to only see it from your point of view is "idiocy" as well.

Unfortunately I don't think you have the numbers to back up that perspective. How does it feel to be a minority? Where are you from?

Also, when I post I always provide justification and reasoning in order to inform and debate - you appear very bad at doing that.

It isnt a silly question. It is the question that surrounds this entire debate. Are you going to answer it?

How can you not infer that answer from my response? Stop acting dumb and being so defensive.

 

[arknor]

Did they ask if you identified with any other cultures?

most these people who act african in the UK are no more African than anyone else who lives here that are white.

It's just cultural appropriation and then offended when someone asks about it...


It's like those people who dress up as soldiers with the fake medals for "stolen valour"

I wonder what the real Africans who actually were born and live on that continent think when they hear about this kind of nonsense
I bet somewhere in my family tree I can Find Irish or Scottish people, does that mean I can start calling myself Irish and dressing up like a leprechaun? or wearing a kilt and claiming I'm scottish?

If I go really far back then Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent

So can I start wearing traditional african dress too? and putting on a fake accent ?

 

[Dis86]

most these people who act african in the UK are no more African than anyone else who lives here that are white.

It's just cultural appropriation and then offended when someone asks about it...


It's like those people who dress up as soldiers with the fake medals for "stolen valour"

I wonder what the real Africans who actually were born and live on that continent think when they hear about this kind of nonsense

Having spoken with one they think these people are pathetic.

 

[Efour]

Stolen valour YouTube videos are awesome.
Especially when you get some bad ass marine shredding the larping idiot.

Intact I'm off to watch one now

 

[AndyCr15]

I think with a lot of things in life you can go around seeking confrontation if you want, it ends up not actually doing you any good.

Looking at the transcript, I think both parties have been a bit awkward and could have handled it better, but only one of them appears to have done it with malice.

Definitely this.

Do you think that it is not possible for a black person to say they come from the UK? Like, really come from the UK?

Maybe we all interpret 'come from' in a different way. Maybe it means different things in different contexts. Asking someone whose heritage would appear to be from somewhere 'not here' means heritage, not where you were born?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

That she has an ingrained old fashioned viewpoint that a black woman couldn't possibly "come from" UK.

This is a woman who travelled the World with our Queen for decades and you seriously believe that
Two things happened here, she didn't ask correctly and the other woman was waiting for it.

 

[Jono8]

Unfortunately I don't think you have the numbers to back up that perspective. How does it feel to be a minority? Where are you from?

Also, when I post I always provide justification and reasoning in order to inform and debate - you appear very bad at doing that.


How can you not infer that answer from my response? Stop acting dumb and being so defensive.

Interesting. Why do you think you are in the majority on this?

I've posted plenty of reasoning and justification in this thread.

You're resorting to really pathetic debating skills where you just simply keep asking for a person's reasons for taking a certain view when they have already done so repeatedly and just lying saying they havent.

It is what Dowie does as well and it's massively transparent that this means you have nothing useful to say about it anymore.

 

[Jono8]

Definitely this.

Maybe we all interpret 'come from' in a different way. Maybe it means different things in different contexts. Asking someone whose heritage would appear to be from somewhere 'not here' means heritage, not where you were born?

Except she wasn't confrontational in the slightest until being repeatedly pressed on where she really came from and after SH made quite a rude comment about getting information out of her.

This is something many of you on one side of the debate have entirely imagined in your heads.

 

[NVP]

Interesting. Why do you think you are in the majority on this?

Due to the percentage of people I've spoken to, as well as the number of posters in this thread who have the same perspective.

Also my own practical experience of being asked these questions gives me insider knowledge on the interpretation, which I've shared multiple times.

I've even provided my reasoning on how I determined this, along with so many others in this thread, to which you've been unable to provide any counter for other than "no" - even when pressed.

I've posted plenty of reasoning and justification in this thread.

Unfotunately I've struggled to find any in your responses to me. I wasnt querying all of you posts, only those in which we are interacting. This is where, if you'd like your position to be taken seriously, you should provide reasoning and not simply just defensive posturing.

You're resorting to really pathetic debating skills where you just simply keep asking for a person's reasons for taking a certain view when they have already done so repeatedly and just lying saying they havent.

LOL Did you provide an explanation in your post? No. But its my fault for asking? Jeez

It is what Dowie does as well and it's massively transparent that this means you have nothing useful to say about it anymore.

I suspect its your lack of understanding which makes you unable to take anything useful from any detailed post. Actually I don't suspect, I think you pretty much confirmed it in the above.


If you wish to debate a point with me; quote me and provide your statement with some justification, else expect to be treated in this manner.

 

[i-bert]

Interesting. Why do you think you are in the majority on this?

I've posted plenty of reasoning and justification in this thread.

You're resorting to really pathetic debating skills where you just simply keep asking for a person's reasons for taking a certain view when they have already done so repeatedly and just lying saying they havent.

It is what Dowie does as well and it's massively transparent that this means you have nothing useful to say about it anymore.

If you think you're in the majority on this, then you're deluded.

Obviously there's no way of knowing this for sure, but even the majority of callers on Jeremy Vines show, which were 1st/2nd generation immigrants, thought it wasn't racist, and they enjoy telling people their story when asked.

But I'm sure the High horse woke cavalry will keep fighting the good fight.

 

[Jono8]

Due to the percentage of people I've spoken to, as well as the number of posters in this thread who have the same perspective.

Also my own practical experience of being asked these questions gives me insider knowledge on the interpretation, which I've shared multiple times.

I've even provided my reasoning on how I determined this, along with so many others in this thread, to which you've been unable to provide any counter for other than "no" - even when pressed.


Unfotunately I've struggled to find any in your responses to me. I wasnt querying all of you posts, only those in which we are interacting. This is where, if you'd like your position to be taken seriously, you should provide reasoning and not simply just defensive posturing.


LOL Did you provide an explanation in your post? No. But its my fault for asking? Jeez


I suspect its your lack of understanding which makes you unable to take anything useful from our detailed posts. Actually I don't suspect, I think you pretty much confirmed it in the above.


If you wish to debate a point with me; quote me and provide your statement with some justification, else expect to be treated in this manner.

Lmao, I understand everything you and dowie say loud and clear. I just thinks most of it os wrong and/or stupid.

Astonishing that you think that you are in the majority opinion based on the people you know and this thread.

 

[NVP]

Also because I'm not an imbecile


Again, just more shouting "you're wrong" without saying why.