Assange to go!

Maybe you could point out where in the thread it would help - it's a rather long thread!

According to what I have read, there is precedent for Swedish prosecutors questioning people outside of Sweden.

There are numerous answers throughout the thread.

I've made the effort to re-quote previously, but you're right, it is a long thread and I'm not going to spend Sunday going through it because you can't be bothered.
 
Yep, it does amaze me that people stick up for Assange. Not only does the bloke have the blood on his hands of all those brave people but he also appears to do a little sideline in sexually assaulting people

:rolleyes: Maybe you should check your facts - there is no example whatsoever of anyone being harmed anywhere in the world as a result of a leak from wikileaks.
 
:rolleyes: Maybe you should check your facts - there is no example whatsoever of anyone being harmed anywhere in the world as a result of a leak from wikileaks.

Guess you didn't read the link above then. :rolleyes: And I guess you've never heard of Manning ... he's been harmed as a result of the leak has he not.
 
:rolleyes: Maybe you should check your facts - there is no example whatsoever of anyone being harmed anywhere in the world as a result of a leak from wikileaks.

Common sense would really dictate that people will have been harmed because of their actions, if not directly.
 
Guess you didn't read the link above then. :rolleyes: And I guess you've never heard of Manning ... he's been harmed as a result of the leak has he not.

Yes I did. It has nothing about anyone being harmed in it. And you're giving manning as an example? Now I know you're just trolling. :p
 
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Yes I did. It has nothing about anyone being harmed in it. And you're giving manning as an example? Now I know you're just trolling. :p

Surely given the clear track record of the Taliban you cannot rightly believe that giving them what is a thinly veiled list of names won't result / has not resulted in some level of harm?
 
Yes I did. It has nothing about anyone being harmed in it.

What exactly do you think the Taliban do to informants name informants. Do you think they pop around for a quick chat and a nice cup of tea and please don't do that again? Are you really that naive? And you accuse me of trolling. Oh really you asked whether there had been any harm from the leaks. Manning has been grossly harmed. He openly said he had made a mistake - he was exploited and used and now is paying the price for being a traitor. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your definition of harm but it does mine. If you are narrow in your thoughts you don't consider that a problem then you are as bad as Assange who seems to be happy to accept any amount of collateral damage in return for his aims being met. Kind of sounds familiar.
 
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Yes I did. It has nothing about anyone being harmed in it.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/taliban+hunt+wikileaks+outed+afghan+informers/3727667.html

http://www.channel4.com/news/articl...ady+done+says+human+rights+group/3727677.html

Irresponsible release of sensitive material is not in anyone's interest, it gets people killed, it causes unnecessary international incidents, it puts our security forces and military assets in jeopardy.

You have to be extremely naive to believe otherwise.
 
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Manning has been grossly harmed. He openly said he had made a mistake - he was exploited and used and now is paying the price for being a traitor.

Manning is being tortured and held illegally. Of course he will say anything to reduce his punishment. If you think his treatment is acceptable then your moral compass is unbelievably out of whack.

Again the article linked to has no evidence of harm. Of course I don't think it's a good idea to publish individual's names but you can be sure that the US would be straight to the media with any evidence of individual death/harm as a result of leaks.
 
Irresponsible release of sensitive material is not in anyone's interest, it gets people killed, it causes unnecessary international incidents, it puts our security forces and military assets in jeopardy.

You have to be extremely naive to believe otherwise.

And what about those civilians who have been killed, tortured and detained? Is it not in their interest that the truth comes out? If no one ever finds out about these things then they will just continue.
 
Manning is being tortured and held illegally. Of course he will say anything to reduce his punishment. If you think his treatment is acceptable then your moral compass is unbelievably out of whack.

Again the article linked to has no evidence of harm. Of course I don't think it's a good idea to publish individual's names but you can be sure that the US would be straight to the media with any evidence of individual death/harm as a result of leaks.

He said it before hand it's quite readily available. In fact it's linked to in this thread. I don't condone torture which is why I mentioned him as being a victim so don't tell me about my moral compass because when I mentioned it you accused me of trolling.
 
Manning is being tortured and held illegally. Of course he will say anything to reduce his punishment. If you think his treatment is acceptable then your moral compass is unbelievably out of whack.

Again the article linked to has no evidence of harm. Of course I don't think it's a good idea to publish individual's names but you can be sure that the US would be straight to the media with any evidence of individual death/harm as a result of leaks.

I think you must have odd ideas about the Taliban to think that there needs to be evidence of harm for there to have been any.

Assange himself has said that anyone who gets knocked off is down to the US military, which is patently false. He published it probably hoping people would be killed who don't agree with him (there is no other reason for it).

And this is from a man hiding inside the Embassy of a country with about as much respect for freedom of speech as the Professor of Oppression at the University of Persecution.
 
This is that part that annoys me. All that great work during the Olympics improving our image and sending a positive message, about this country, around the world and then this. We are struggling with our image in the South Atlantic and this really does not help.

Glad I am not alone.

Nevertheless Brazil is already months behind with their Olympic revenues, not sure if anyone is aware but they want to buy several of our venues as they were designed to be movable.

The Brazilians rarely support any sport other than football so it will be an up hill struggle.

The UK will eventually look even better as the Brazilians haven't yet laid a brick and are years from completing a vital tunnel for the village.
 
He said it before hand it's quite readily available. In fact it's linked to in this thread. I don't condone torture which is why I mentioned him as being a victim so don't tell me about my moral compass because when I mentioned it you accused me of trolling.

You said he was "paying the price of being a traitor" which to me suggested that you in some way condone his punishment. If you don't then we are in agreement. :)

I still don't see how you can blame someone other than the us government for his situation though.
 
Yep, it does amaze me that people stick up for Assange. Not only does the bloke have the blood on his hands of all those brave people but he also appears to do a little sideline in sexually assaulting people

Innocent until proven guilty ring a bell? He has no blood on his hands, because the people over there shouldn't be there in the first place. The armies main priority is the DEFENCE of this country and not the interest of the banking cartel and oil industry.

Why is it Assange's fault about what people do with information?

We should never have been in Iraq/Afghanistan and likewise none of this would have been an issue if it wasn't for our war mongers in control of foreign policy.

I'm sick to death of people defending the war, why should we be forcing our way of life onto others? Why should we be invading other countries for there natural resources? All we ever hear is the 1 sided argument from state controlled media and when people bring alternative news to the table from reputable sources they get laughed away or dismissed. Libya is a fantastic example of how the state, controlled our media and made it look like we where "helping". Would you like it if i came around your house and invaded your living room because you had the natural resource of pizza?

What Assange did was what the press should be doing, and because the press is state controlled we will never get the truth from papers or the news on the TV. Information is power and if you control the information you control the people. Its a simple and common concept.

I personally think what Assange did, we are not ready for as a society. We like our comforts and our warm cuddly government that keeps us "safe", provides us with our benefits and NHS. For someone to come along and tell you, what you thought was wrong, your natural instinct is to fight it, because people HATE being told the truth. We want freedom, but we want it with our hands being held, we want freedom on the internet but rather then educate the users we want the government to control it to make sure we are protected.

A lot of people here are stuck in a very draconian way of thinking, society around us has moved on and we need to do the same. We need to understand and appreciate people have different opinions and beliefs, that you as a person is capable of doing anything and that the government is in power at the behest of the people and not the other way around. Instead of bombing countries for there natural resources and suppressing the rebels and labelling them as terrorists we need to look at alternatives, why invade at all? Why not develop the means to not need to do such things.

I'm completely fed up with this country, people seem to have lost all passion for anything but Wine/Beer, TV and X Factor. Kids feel there entitled to the entire planet and parents think that 16 is the age to not give a **** about there kids.

Ugh i'll get flamed for this. So I'm stopping here, i could rant for hours over the completely appalling situation our country is in morally, ethically and socially.
 
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