Assange to go!

In this case.... How is he a lawbreaker? He cannot be tried for espionage as he is not an agent of the US.

How many petabytes of data I stolen by the US each day?

Sexual molestation? Really... Both women wanted the case dropped. One then said the prosecutor was more concerned about his image than helping.... Surely you are sagacious enough to see what is so blatantly obvious to us all... You Evan after some of your other topic posts cannot be so myopic
 
RaohNS said:
In this case.... How is he a lawbreaker? He cannot be tried for espionage as he is not an agent of the US.

How many petabytes of data I stolen by the US each day?

Sexual molestation? Really... Both women wanted the case dropped. One then said the prosecutor was more concerned about his image than helping.... Surely you are sagacious enough to see what is so blatantly obvious to us all... You Evan after some of your other topic posts cannot be so myopic
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Given your posting history in this thread, it is a little hypocritical of you to be throwing around words like myopic.

Unlike some psychics here I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent of rape. I don't think the actions Swedish prosecutors are unreasonable in trying to find out.

I cannot fathom how people still think he is guilty of this.
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I cannot fathom how you can make ridiculous statements like this. You don't know he is innocent, you think he is innocent based on 2nd and 3rd hand drips of information.

You are quite possibly correct in your assertions of his innocence, but unequivocal support baffles me.
 
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KingOfTheDaves said:
Given your posting history in this thread, it is a little hypocritical of you to be throwing around words like myopic.

Unlike some psychics here I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent of rape. I don't think the actions Swedish prosecutors are unreasonable in trying to find out.



I cannot fathom how you can make ridiculous statements like this. You don't know he is innocent, you think he is innocent based on 2nd and 3rd hand drips of information.

You are quite possibly correct in your assertions of his innocence, but unequivocal support baffles me.
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Ok by the same exact argument then... Is he not innocent until proven guilty? As an example: Edward Snowden could be held on espionage as he has personally leaked that data... A hero in my books. Its like the thing with Kim Dotcom too.

Assange is innocent in my eyes... Logic dictates
 
the_chicco said:
How on earth you think we are in a relative state of peace is beyond me given the state of the Middle East. If we had more 'oversight' we wouldn't have kicked off an illegal war in Iraq for a start as they wouldn't be able to stand behind the usual rhetoric of 'we can't tell you that in the interests of National Security, but believe us anyway'.
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The UK is still in the top 25 safest countries (2015 Legatum Safety & Security Index), war and disagreements and not being nice to each other has been a large part of everyday life for thousands of years, there is always someone we don't like or doesn't like us, that's just how the world works, hence the term 'relative'.. we've always had some threat around the corner, the crusades, invasions, world wars, cold wars, etc, etc.. yet here we are in the top 25 safest places to live..

(this isn't necessarily aimed at you) but I think some peoples perspectives are so crazily skewed they come across as almost inferring we live in some dangerous oppressed state.. Assange and Snowdon are 'heros' to some apparantly defying the 'evil' state.

Of course things can and do change but it seems the only real threat at the moment is people who attempt to erode the very thing that has ensured we've stayed relatively free and safe by holding the state to some ridiculously high level of moral code that the vast majority of the rest of the world wishes they had.

As I said, there is nothing wrong with constructive and sensible introspection, but the world is largely a more horrible place and we will have to do the odd horrible thing unless people want their assertions to actually come true.

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Why doesn't he just go to Sweden and claim that rape is part of his heritage and culture. The way Sweden is these days they'll probably fall on their knees and beg his forgiveness.

If not and he ends up being bagged and tagged by the CIA. Oh well, no great loss.
 
Demon said:
Talking about this the other day, Assange was seen as a good guy right up until he went a bit crazy and OTT and leaked everything and anything..

There are things that should be public record (usually privacy related) and things that should not, crossing that line meant he just opened himself up to the laws of the land and to the point he really can't be easily swept under the carpet.

At this point it's simple, he has an arrest warrant that means whether we or he thinks is wrong or not, that has to be exercised, or what kind of message does it send?

If he wanted more freedom, he should have done a Snowden..
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To be fair to all of them the treatment of Assage and Manning is probably the main reason Snowdon fled to Latin America. He didn't count on his passport being cancelled before he got there unfortunately.
 
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Unlike some psychics here I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent of rape. I don't think the actions Swedish prosecutors are unreasonable in trying to find out.

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They may not be unreasonable but the could certainly be construed of gross incompetence. I'm sure even if he was arrested and tried in Sweden the case would be dropped on so many technicalities it would make war and peace look short.

Unfortunately it's been a farce from the start and a very poor showing for the Swedish legal system and those in it.
 
Dis86 said:
Same man. Utterly preposterous.

Guy flees arrest and hides in an embassy through his choice. He can leave at any point. He'll just have to face the consequences of his potentially rapey actions.
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Did you see the African guy from this UN working group being interviewed on the BBC earlier? For someone working at the UN he didn't have a single ****ing clue what the hell he was going on about. If he wasn't on via videolink from New York I'd have thought the BBC had accidentally interviewed another random person there for a job interview.
 
Demon said:
The UK is still in the top 25 safest countries (2015 Legatum Safety & Security Index), war and disagreements and not being nice to each other has been a large part of everyday life for thousands of years, there is always someone we don't like or doesn't like us, that's just how the world works, hence the term 'relative'.. we've always had some threat around the corner, the crusades, invasions, world wars, cold wars, etc, etc.. yet here we are in the top 25 safest places to live..

(this isn't necessarily aimed at you) but I think some peoples perspectives are so crazily skewed they come across as almost inferring we live in some dangerous oppressed state.. Assange and Snowdon are 'heros' to some apparantly defying the 'evil' state.

Of course things can and do change but it seems the only real threat at the moment is people who attempt to erode the very thing that has ensured we've stayed relatively free and safe by holding the state to some ridiculously high level of moral code that the vast majority of the rest of the world wishes they had.

As I said, there is nothing wrong with constructive and sensible introspection, but the world is largely a more horrible place and we will have to do the odd horrible thing unless people want their assertions to actually come true.

/IME of course
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But that's ignoring the point, Assage didn't "steal" any data and both Manning and Snowdon didn't just release data into the wild for everyone to look at. Manning gave the data to a respectable (and it was respected - and still is) organisation, Wikileaks, and Snowdon gave the data he took to two of the most respected investigatory newspapers in the world, one in the US and one in the UK. Both organisations are full of lawyers and go through the data with a fine tooth comb - both have not released particularly sensitive data for the very reasons you mention above.

They didn't just dump stuff on the internet.
 
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