If Forza Motorsport is as 'arcade' as it gets to you, then you have not played many racing games. It is well into the 'sim' side of the continuum.
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It's not about whether we like it, it's about having extended experience with it, and other sims.
If you think it's as arcade as it gets, then you're very wrong. It's not a matter of opinion.
If you think it's as arcade as it gets, then you're very wrong. It's not a matter of opinion.
well obviously it is isn't it ? 
you don't agree that's obvious.ah the internets.
everyone's gotta win. if you want you are right im wrong.i find it arcade very easy and worse than broken cars.many like pcars for eg. if they like it.let them.that's fine by me.
forza is a arcade game its made mainly for consoles.its a console franchise its not a sim.
we don't need to go down to splitting hairs about whats sim what isnt.if you enjoy forza enjoy it.
you don't agree that's obvious.ah the internets.
everyone's gotta win. if you want you are right im wrong.i find it arcade very easy and worse than broken cars.many like pcars for eg. if they like it.let them.that's fine by me.
forza is a arcade game its made mainly for consoles.its a console franchise its not a sim.
we don't need to go down to splitting hairs about whats sim what isnt.if you enjoy forza enjoy it.
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No, it's very much on the simcade side and veering more towards sim than arcade.
Perhaps if you play it with all the assists on, then sure, it probably does feel like an arcade game.
It is a sim up there with the likes of AC etc? No.
Is it an arcade game like NFS? No. That's more along the lines of what you'd describe as "As arcade as it gets".
Did it have good feel with a steering wheel (FM3/4 at least)? No.
It's not about winning. It's about you not knowing what you're talking about. All the smilies in the world won't change that.
I expect you to accuse me of trolling (again) at any moment tbh...
Perhaps if you play it with all the assists on, then sure, it probably does feel like an arcade game.
It is a sim up there with the likes of AC etc? No.
Is it an arcade game like NFS? No. That's more along the lines of what you'd describe as "As arcade as it gets".
Did it have good feel with a steering wheel (FM3/4 at least)? No.
It's not about winning. It's about you not knowing what you're talking about. All the smilies in the world won't change that.
I expect you to accuse me of trolling (again) at any moment tbh...
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Not that I've especially noticed, though they have made tweaks over the last few major updates that have changed the characteristics slightly here and there.
Take a look at the update logs to see if there's anything that might explain what you're feeling.
Take a look at the update logs to see if there's anything that might explain what you're feeling.
i dont mind if you trolling or not.i just dont get why you cant see you have a opinion and so do i. i dont mind if you agree or not. what im replying to is you seem to be trying to make out its your way is right and mine isnt.
" It's about you not knowing what you're talking about. All the smilies in the world won't change that."
knowing what you talking about i played forza with everything on and of.to me regardless of it you agree it was easy and very arcadey.that is my opinion.
you have yours. i have mine.
there is no need to know what anyone is talking about its a arcade franchise. i know that.i also know having driven half the cars for REAL what is arcade and sim
anyways....
back on topic. will try and practice some more later with the ferraris later. really enjoying this DLC. some great cars.
Physics fundamentals are the same since the early access beta, although many things are continuously remodelled (eg brake temps are now a thing, etc).
AI is faster than you on the straights because either:
1). You had poor drive from the corner exit that was leading onto the straight.
2). If its a racing car, your set up has worse top speed.
When you nail a good corner exit and your set up is in the right ball park, battling AI is great fun, particularly on the highest difficulty:
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i dont mind if you trolling or not.i just dont get why you cant see you have a opinion and so do i. i dont mind if you agree or not. what im replying to is you seem to be trying to make out its your way is right and mine isnt.
Because it's not a matter of opinion.
You're applying a sweeping generalisation that simply isn't correct.
You say it's as arcade as it gets. that's flat out wrong.
You say you don't want to get caught up in splitting hairs, but that's only because your argument is terrible and the fact is that there is a large difference between your massive oversimplification and the reality of what's being said to you.
" It's about you not knowing what you're talking about. All the smilies in the world won't change that."
knowing what you talking about i played forza with everything on and of.to me regardless of it you agree it was easy and very arcadey.that is my opinion.
you have yours. i have mine.
That's fine. Compared to a hardcore sim on PC, sure, it may seem a lot easier.
That doesn't mean it's pure arcade.
Again, you're oversimplifying, but that's pretty much standard procedure with you.
As for your assertion that people might find it hard to make the transition from the likes of GT/Forza to 'proper' sims... Well, I, and plenty of others that I've raced with over the years are proof that you're wrong.
there is no need to know what anyone is talking about its a arcade franchise. i know that.i also know having driven half the cars for REAL what is arcade and sim
Really? The game has hundreds of cars, and you've driven half of them in real life?
Are you a valet?
If not, I'd like to see a link or some evidence to show how you've achieved this.
Are you an ex-pro racing driver or something
anyways....
I don't know what you're grinning about. You seem to do an awful lot of it for some reason.
Ever heard of the phrase 'grinning like an idiot'?
back on topic. will try and practice some more later with the ferraris later. really enjoying this DLC. some great cars.
Yeah, perhaps you should stick to the dear diary entries. '
That looks fantastic. is that default ingame graphics settings? Or using some kind of reshade/3rd party software?
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^Press F6.
It's not a matter of opinion at all.i dont mind if you trolling or not.i just dont get why you cant see you have a opinion and so do i. i dont mind if you agree or not. what im replying to is you seem to be trying to make out its your way is right and mine isnt.
" It's about you not knowing what you're talking about. All the smilies in the world won't change that."
knowing what you talking about i played forza with everything on and of.to me regardless of it you agree it was easy and very arcadey.that is my opinion.
you have yours. i have mine.
there is no need to know what anyone is talking about its a arcade franchise. i know that.i also know having driven half the cars for REAL what is arcade and sim
anyways....
back on topic. will try and practice some more later with the ferraris later. really enjoying this DLC. some great cars.
I get you are a PC elitist and any console game simply *must* be looked at in the most disdain possible, but in no way, shape or form is Forza Motorsport 'arcade'. It is irrelevant whether you like it or not. You simply dont understand what 'arcade' means. Actually, I gather you probably do, as I'm pretty sure you're aware of franchises like Mario Kart and Need for Speed and whatnot, but are conveniently ignoring them because you'd prefer to lump Forza Motorsport in the same group because it seems you'd rather not accept that consoles actually have anything praise-worthy by your standards.
Ingame graphics, no custom PP filters or anything. It looks much crisper ingame than in this video, Vegas and youtube have too much compression.
The only visual mod that I use is this smoke mod: http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/shreds-smoke-mod.7054/
I sometimes think people get so carried away with SweetFX, Reshade and other post-processing mods just because they can, that they often forget that the base graphics of a game were already quite good and were settled on for a reason.
I once posted a completely bone-stock screenshot on the AC forums just to point something out and somebody who had done all kinds of modifications with lighting and SweetFX to their game thought it looked fantastic and asked what modifications I was using. lol
AC has better physics/driving model and FFB. Also very mod-friendly with tons of user created content, apps and other enhancements.
I'd also say that this point, AC has better AI. It's always been more competitive, but it's now better behaved, too.
Project Cars is clearly more of a looker, along with dynamic night and day, weather, better sound and it also comes with more base content. I also think it does 'motorsport' better in terms of simulating a career, series and race weekends.
I think it's also worth pointing out that AC is going to get more support going forward. Project Cars was well supported and still gets occasional patches, but I think new content releases have stopped as the studio is ramping up for Project Cars 2, whereas AC kind of plans on being a long-supported 'platform' style game.
Honestly, I like both of them. Each have pros/cons and do different things well. Many sim racers find this need to pick one and then try and argue any other 'competing' sim is rubbish, but I hate that attitude. For myself, I do find that I play Assetto Corsa far more than Project Cars, largely because I am constantly impressed by how great it feels to drive in it and also because I've never been huge on single player career modes in racing games. But if you do like a more structured and guided game, Project Cars is a really good choice.
I once posted a completely bone-stock screenshot on the AC forums just to point something out and somebody who had done all kinds of modifications with lighting and SweetFX to their game thought it looked fantastic and asked what modifications I was using. lol
No can of worms, but it has been discussed a whole lot before.
AC has better physics/driving model and FFB. Also very mod-friendly with tons of user created content, apps and other enhancements.
I'd also say that this point, AC has better AI. It's always been more competitive, but it's now better behaved, too.
Project Cars is clearly more of a looker, along with dynamic night and day, weather, better sound and it also comes with more base content. I also think it does 'motorsport' better in terms of simulating a career, series and race weekends.
I think it's also worth pointing out that AC is going to get more support going forward. Project Cars was well supported and still gets occasional patches, but I think new content releases have stopped as the studio is ramping up for Project Cars 2, whereas AC kind of plans on being a long-supported 'platform' style game.
Honestly, I like both of them. Each have pros/cons and do different things well. Many sim racers find this need to pick one and then try and argue any other 'competing' sim is rubbish, but I hate that attitude. For myself, I do find that I play Assetto Corsa far more than Project Cars, largely because I am constantly impressed by how great it feels to drive in it and also because I've never been huge on single player career modes in racing games. But if you do like a more structured and guided game, Project Cars is a really good choice.
Not really. pCars is more of a Forza6 competitor, so its a different genre. AC's competitors are iRacing and rFactor2 - AC is a sim that is used by Ferrari, Porsche, racing schools etc... So yeah
