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ATI cuts 6950 allocation

Which all in all makes Ravens predictions nothing more than provocation:)

Raven, as far as I know is not under a NDA

I find it unlikely that his mates employers would know of Raven therefore I suspect their isn't much danger of dropping said mate in the doo doo:)

Whatever info he releases, he won't be able to back it up unless he endangers his friend of being exposed (sued, fired, you name it).

Afaik, Raven released as much as he could already. I don't really like the guy's flip-flops on this Forum, his blatant lies about not having an account on another forum and related youtube account and other things that are just ridiculous to even talk about. I wouldn't be surprised if what he claimed turns out to be bull**** but as it stands now, there are so many unconfirmed leaks that contradict with each other, there's no way to verify his quite unbelievable statements.

With that said, it's hard to accuse him of lying or trolling for that matter as we have no reliable info to either confirm or deny his claims.

Personal attacks in this thread are stupid and childish, I hope some of you will realize that they won't prove anything and can only put off some people from attending this subforum.
 
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I am inclined to believe him, after all didn't he say there were 'no' WMD's in Iraq?
 
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I am inclined to believe him, after all didn't he say there were 'no' WMD's in Iraq?

Oh, look how funny you are. :rolleyes:

PS I don't mind if you lot bash Raven after new cards are released in a few days. I might even jump on the bandwagon for the sake of having a little fun.
 
is it possible that the 6970s power managment will allow user prefrence to adjust the power so maybe that when you give the 6970 all the juice it will indeed be 20-30 faster than 580? (turbo mode)??
 
Whatever info he releases, he won't be able to back it up unless he endangers his friend of being exposed (sued, fired, you name it).

Afaik, Raven released as much as he could already. I don't really like the guy's flip-flops on this Forum, his blatant lies about not having an account on another forum and related youtube account and other things that are just ridiculous to even talk about. I wouldn't be surprised if what he claimed turns out to be bull**** but as it stands now, there are so many unconfirmed leaks that contradict with each other, there's no way to verify his quite unbelievable statements.

With that said, it's hard to accuse him of lying or trolling for that matter as we have no reliable info to either confirm or deny his claims.

Personal attacks in this thread are stupid and childish, I hope some of you will realize that they won't prove anything and can only put off some people from attending this subforum.

Fair enough
So it begs the question why bother, other than to be provocative??

IMO, Raven posts some good, interesting stuff and other than for a "bit of fun", does not really need to make such massive, and yes, unchallengeable claims:)

It does add some much needed spice to proceedings though;)
 
They aren't gonna send crippled 6970s to reviewers - makes no sense.

PDF's, slides, basic stuff goes out WAY before cards do, way way before, and those can easily be incorrect. INfact AMD have essentially confirmed the best way to plug leaks is to vary information and see what actual info gets out.

Theres a good chance that the biggest leaks have been plugged and AIB's and people are more careful than previously.

Reviewers could literally end up with cards 2 days before release, its likely a couple sites get a few extra days, trusted sites and other places get less time.

Cards BEFORE then, to AIB's, and other places, the kinds of cards we saw pictures of over a month ago now, those can have a different number of shaders to retail. Its more about knowing and seeing the cooler, pcb, chip dimensions, heat output and things like that, it doesn't really matter if the FPS its outputting is lower or higher than final shipping products.

AS with most info coming out though, its completely unreliable, review sites are actually pretty good, they have to sign NDA's, AMD know exactly who they are, and if they leak, they don't get products for review, if you're say Anandtech and you stop receiving AMD releases, you lose a fair amount of traffic and respect.

Its AIB's who have 100 guys working in the office, and shipping guys, and the guy who takes one home to play with, and his 10 mates he shows it too who tend to be the leaks, and those cards, early samples, are very often not final spec, speeds, shaders, etc.
 
is it possible that the 6970s power managment will allow user prefrence to adjust the power so maybe that when you give the 6970 all the juice it will indeed be 20-30 faster than 580? (turbo mode)??

Theres a VERY real possibility of that, but we'll have to see, its even potentially possible that until we get a good unlocked overclocking app, like afterburner supporting it, that overclocking and max tdp/gaming tdp, we won't really know just how good they are from reviews. it does look like overclocking will be done via TDP maybe rather than clocks(or both with the TDP as an overall limit).

It might be that with stock cooling it just gets too hot to push the tdp limit that high, but 3rd party cooling(which on my 5850 dropped overclocked load temps from 80c+ to 45C) that the TDP limits and overclocking might just become a card thats truly staggering in performance, or, it might be not much of anything. The basic architecture slides which everyone seems to accept are real seem to make a pretty big deal of dynamic power management being a pretty big feature. Potential, but nothing definate.
 
Hi Drunkenmaster

A couple of honest questions:-

Do you believe Nvidia/AMD have any idea what each other are going to launch in say 6 months time?

Would you suspect that Nvidia already know the final specs of the 6970?
 
Fair enough
So it begs the question why bother, other than to be provocative??

IMO, Raven posts some good, interesting stuff and other than for a "bit of fun", does not really need to make such massive, and yes, unchallengeable claims:)

It does add some much needed spice to proceedings though;)

Raven's leaks aren't any worse than those that Fudzilla and other review sites seem to post. He won't go into detail as he is in a slightly different position than said sites but we all love know things that aren't known to the majority. It's not like feeding us with leaks changes anything, after all most of us will make informed decisions after reviews are out anyway.
 
Oh, look how funny you are.

PS I don't mind if you lot bash Raven after new cards are released in a few days. I might even jump on the bandwagon for the sake of having a little fun.

I do not understand why you think I am bashing 'Raven'. My post has nothing to do with this Raven person. I was just correcting a piece of Orwellian Doublespeak, where the truthteller is portrayed as the liar. It is now a widely accepted fact that the odious black lies about WMD's were just that. I know when dealing with our corrupt politicians we should not be suprised at their lecherous and deceitful ways, but need we really carry on riding on the back of their long dead propaganda?
 
I do not understand why you think I am bashing 'Raven'. My post has nothing to do with this Raven person. I was just correcting a piece of Orwellian Doublespeak, where the truthteller is portrayed as the liar. It is now a widely accepted fact that the odious black lies about WMD's were just that. I know when dealing with our corrupt politicians we should not be suprised at their lecherous and deceitful ways, but need we really carry on riding on the back of their long dead propaganda?

or we could just talk about graphics cards :)

tbh raven's *ahem* prediction is probably right. It's the most obvious answer, and the easiest to *predict* ;)
 
Hi Drunkenmaster

A couple of honest questions:-

Do you believe Nvidia/AMD have any idea what each other are going to launch in say 6 months time?

Would you suspect that Nvidia already know the final specs of the 6970?

Maybe, maybe not, probably, in general its not particularly hard to know.

8800 128 shaders, same basic 1:1 architecture, same basic crossbar memory controller/communication, etc, etc. 280gtx, 240 shaders, 480gtx, 512 shaders, it would frankly be a shock to see Nvidia not aiming for 1024 shaders at Kepler though if they again bring that down slightly or use a different shader grouping that doesn't quite fit into 1024 it should be near to 1024.

Cayman, maybe Nvidia have less of an idea about, purely because its nothing AMD planned for over several years but is a shrunken rush job that was meant to be out on 32nm. You'd expect AMD to be pushing what was 3200 shaders, but would now(with a 4VLIW shader structure) probably be around 2400-2600 shaders on 28nm. Fundamentally theres nothing to extraordinary or interesting about rops/tmu's, both companies generally get the balance just about right and performance scaling 70-80% is pretty much expected.


5870 with 1600 shaders was just about the least surprising launch in years, as was the 512sp Fermi(all 4 times it launched :p ), really the only reason Cayman is such an unknown is both a switch in architecture coupled with a change from plans due to a canceled process.

Essentially if this card was launching at 32/28nm you'd be expecting something 80% faster with whatever shader count that performance comes with.
 
This thread has got worse and worse as each new page has been added, I was looking at each person predictions and info they claim to have with interest. But this seems to be bringing the worst out in a lot of people in this thread to the point where a flame retardant suit might be advisable.

Some posts are bordering on griefing and I find it a shame that people are lining up to harass others if these predictions don’t come through to the letter. Also on note people only get attention if you give them it in the first place.

Can we please clean it up and maybe just look forward to the release of this product instead. Gibbo has expressed a good combination in this product and that’s all we really need to know.

There are more important things than what card is the fastest in everything, we live in a world where our carbon footprint is a reality that most are waking to and the austerity measures are starting to kick in.

Heat, power draw and cost are all factors that are just as important as raw power, if not far more important.
 
i just haven't seen you posting in the graphics card forum for a while, so it's a bit of a blast from the past (you used to post more and were very level headed and calm).

Way back when i first started reading this forum there was a member called teabagger who was very helpful when i was overclocking my dfi ultra d and san diego. You posting reminded me of him, thats all.
 
I do not understand why you think I am bashing 'Raven'. My post has nothing to do with this Raven person. I was just correcting a piece of Orwellian Doublespeak, where the truthteller is portrayed as the liar. It is now a widely accepted fact that the odious black lies about WMD's were just that. I know when dealing with our corrupt politicians we should not be suprised at their lecherous and deceitful ways, but need we really carry on riding on the back of their long dead propaganda?

Fair play fella
Wasn't expecting that:)
 
i just haven't seen you posting in the graphics card forum for a while, so it's a bit of a blast from the past (you used to post more and were very level headed and calm).

Way back when i first started reading this forum there was a member called teabagger who was very helpful when i was overclocking my dfi ultra d and san diego. You posting reminded me of him, thats all.

sorry fella, i read that in completely the wrong way lol. I do remember teabagger yeah, blast from the past!
 
Maybe, maybe not, probably, in general its not particularly hard to know.

Thanks:)
The thing thats always interested me about technology is that there is generally more than one way to skin a cat!!

Say for example, the GTX580 & 6970
Two competing products, broadly speaking, similar in ability both capable of running DX11 games to a high level.

If you were to strip both cards down to their component parts, what % similarities in terms of "shareable" parts would you find.

Its a bit like the PS3 & Xbox 360
Both can play the same games equally well yet are inherently different technology, specs etc.

It amazes me how AMD & Nvidia can implement different technical approaches and yet generally end up a few %points apart in the final analysis:)
 
There must be some truth in the %age romours
2 separate members have both stated much the same thing, from contacts within the industry.
I for one believe there are people who at times like these start romours for the sake of it just to see how widespread it goes. Graphs and slides are easy to make as you all know..
I for one at this point and going along with an open mind but, from what Gibbo has mentioned, raven and the other member, it's looking very promising
 
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