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**ATI RADEON 7800 SERIES NOW AVAILABLE!!**

Do you think it's essential to get a 7850 with a custom fan or could I go reference? I'm looking at the VTX3D one.

How easy is it to overclock? I remember overclocking a graphics card years ago using a program where a block of carpet span in circles (lol), it was meant to auto clock but it was never stable. Is it the same today? I just want to press a button and let it auto give me a reasonable overclock thats 100% stable.
 
HeX said:
As I said a 7850OC will be around the same speed as a 570OC, not disputing that. However the 7850 has many more benefits that make it a better buy than a 570. IMHO.

Cooler, quieter, less power draw, and more memory. While performing pretty much the same.

Kind of makes the 570 defunct now, the 7850 is just a better buy all round.
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Barely, it's out about a year and a half later, anyone who wanted a 570 probably has one and or better.

The price region that the 7850 occupies should be a viable upgrade for those who bought a GPU at that price region in the last 2-3 years, it's not.
5850/6950 (If you remember those times that the 5850/6950 weren't being price gouged, and they were high end tiers, as opposed mid range like the 7850)
 
I'd pay the tenner extra for the Sapphire personally. The stock cooler isn't very good, it'll work but it's no where near as quiet as the Sapphire and MSI cards.
 
Martini1991 said:
Barely, it's out about a year and a half later, anyone who wanted a 570 probably has one and or better.

The price region that the 7850 occupies should be a viable upgrade for those who bought a GPU at that price region in the last 2-3 years, it's not.
5850/6950 (If you remember those times that the 5850/6950 weren't being price gouged, and they were high end tiers, as opposed mid range like the 7850)
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Obviously. No one who has a 570 now is going to change to a 78XX, it'd be utterly pointless. But for anyone upgrading from lesser cards then the 78XX's are a much better buy than the 480/570's etc.
 
HeX said:
Obviously. No one who has a 570 now is going to change to a 78XX, it'd be utterly pointless. But for anyone upgrading from lesser cards then the 78XX's are a much better buy than the 480/570's etc.
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Except they're really not.
They're 2010's price/performance, hell, an OC'ed 5850 at almost the same price in 2009 offers pretty much the same performance as a stock 7850.

Sure, if you're buying a brand new GPU, and have X money, you'd be best off with one of today's GPU's, but that doesn't mean what they're offering is worth it.
 
Martini1991 said:
Except they're really not.
They're 2010's price/performance, hell, an OC'ed 5850 at almost the same price in 2009 offers pretty much the same performance as a stock 7850.

Sure, if you're buying a brand new GPU, and have X money, you'd be best off with one of today's GPU's, but that doesn't mean what they're offering is worth it.
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They are expensive yes, but the 5850 looses by a significant margin when at stock, so while you could overclock it, you can then overclock the 7850 while the 7850 is viable in form factors the 5850 is not.
 
HeX said:
I'd pay the tenner extra for the Sapphire personally. The stock cooler isn't very good, it'll work but it's no where near as quiet as the Sapphire and MSI cards.
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The thing is with Sapphire, don't you have to send it off to Taiwan? I know OCUK will do the warranty for the VTX3D.
 
morguk said:
The thing is with Sapphire, don't you have to send it off to Taiwan? I know OCUK will do the warranty for the VTX3D.
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Worst customer service I ever had was from Sapphire.

You have to join a forum where no one helps. Then you send web messages and after three days they respond, in terrible broken English.

I ended up exchanging about ten emails with them and was no closer to solving the problem than when I started. They simply could not understand what I was trying to tell them.
 
Meaker said:
They are expensive yes, but the 5850 looses by a significant margin when at stock, so while you could overclock it, you can then overclock the 7850 while the 7850 is viable in form factors the 5850 is not.
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But there's nearly 3 years between the two, the 5850 should never, ever, be able to get to stock 7850 performance.
People are forgetting that since 2009 we've had a full on lack of real progression.
You wouldn't see a 3850 or whatever it's called being able to match upto a 5850, why's it then okay for a 5850 to be able to match upto a 7850 (Yes, I know, the 7850's mid range, but it's not priced as such) Even then, it's not like a 3870 could match a 5770/5830.
 
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What it has done though is shift the power consumption much further down. I'm afraid 28nm wafers are very expensive atm so prices are not where they should be.

Also the 5850 was a second tier product, where the 6850 is a fourth tier product. 5850 users should be looking at the 7950. Or even the 7870 which is much faster.
 
Meaker said:
What it has done though is shift the power consumption much further down. I'm afraid 28nm wafers are very expensive atm so prices are not where they should be.

Also the 5850 was a second tier product, where the 6850 is a fourth tier product. 5850 users should be looking at the 7950.
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For 50% more, over 2 years later, and not even twice the raw performance?
5850 owners should be able to buy a GPU at 200 pound that offers at least 50% more performance than their GPU's, seeing as their GPU's are from 2009, they can't, not even close.

28nm has quite simply been a let down.
 
Martini1991 said:
For 50% more, over 2 years later, and not even twice the raw performance?
5850 owners should be able to buy a GPU at 200 pound that offers at least 50% more performance than their GPU's, seeing as their GPU's are from 2009, they can't, not even close.

28nm has quite simply been a let down.
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When using higher resolutions than 1080p then yes it's twice as fast or over that of the 5850. You get less GPU limited at 1080p.
 
Well I compare the 5850 to the 7950 on ANANDTECH's bench and it gets twice the FPS on average.

What more do you want me to say than that? Even the 7870 offers a healthy lead over it and it can still overclock a fair bit.
 
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Meaker said:
Well I compare the 5850 to the 7950 on ANANDTECH's bench and it gets twice the FPS on average.

What more do you want me to say than that?
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While the 7950 is a viable upgrade for the 5850, it's not a 200 quid GPU, so it's not in the same price bracket that the 5850 occupied.
7950's launch at like 350, 75% higher than the launch 5850's.

ALXAndy said:
You did. Not once but twice.
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Except I don't?
Stop being a prat.
The fact I bought one (And a 680) doesn't change my opinion.
 
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Except the 5850 launched and slowly went up in price over time lol.

You consider the different exchange rates, VAT, more expensive wafers and prices have gone up, its the price we pay for our ***** economy. AMD stated they also underpriced the 5 series a bit.
 
Meaker said:
Except the 5850 launched and slowly went up in price over time lol.

You consider the different exchange rates, VAT, more expensive wafers and prices have gone up, its the price we pay for our ***** economy. AMD stated they also underpriced the 5 series a bit.
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Barely, that was price gouging, I still managed to get a 5850 at 200 quite a while are launch, you're also forgetting at one point they were sub 100 (But that's irrelevant at the time frame)

Point being, price/performance has barely (And in some cases stagnated or gone backwards) changed from 2009.
 
Martini1991 said:
Barely, that was price gouging, I still managed to get a 5850 at 200 quite a while are launch, you're also forgetting at one point they were sub 100 (But that's irrelevant at the time frame)

Point being, price/performance has barely (And in some cases stagnated or gone backwards) changed from 2009.
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I wonder why....

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Along with the other reasons I gave.
 
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