ATI's equivalent to 3D Vision?

NZXT30 · 28 Aug 2010 at 00:38

bee said:
fair enough but yours is but one opinion and mw2 and quake with an opengl hack running at 60fps physics are hardly the best test of it. everyone who's tested mine has been blown away by it but then again i showed them things like stone giant bench, mafia 2 demo, just cause 2, left4dead 2, metro 2033 etc that were mostly designed for 3D

yeah these kind of games are great in 3D. Competitive online games like mw2, quake or sc2 should be played in 2D.

Freddie1980 · 28 Aug 2010 at 00:42

If 3D gaming is anything like the 3D you get when watching Avatar at the Cinema then I won't be bothering. What we need is hardware that will give us real time ray tracing or something smiler that will revolutionise graphics like first 3D accelerators not stupid old hat gimmicks like 3D.

Rroff · 28 Aug 2010 at 01:05

bee said:
fair enough but yours is but one opinion and mw2 and quake with an opengl hack running at 60fps physics are hardly the best test of it. everyone who's tested mine has been blown away by it but then again i showed them things like stone giant bench, mafia 2 demo, just cause 2, left4dead 2, metro 2033 etc that were mostly designed for 3D

Yeah sure... mafia 2 is just jaw dropping in 3D... but again after playing for awhile its just more comfortable, convenient, etc. playing in normal 2D

bee · 28 Aug 2010 at 01:20

Rroff said:
Yeah sure... mafia 2 is just jaw dropping in 3D... but again after playing for awhile its just more comfortable, convenient, etc. playing in normal 2D

couldn't really disagree more with the second bit, i just chose my nose piece thing that comes with them and never looked back. no comfort issues, no fatigue etc i can play for 3 hours + just fine with them. games that work almost flawlessly in 3D are just unplayable to me in 2D, they just look so lifeless. looking at super high res screens of metro or the new r.u.s.e demo for another example just looks poor to me after having played them in 3D

kylew · 28 Aug 2010 at 01:41

bee said:
couldn't really disagree more with the second bit, i just chose my nose piece thing that comes with them and never looked back. no comfort issues, no fatigue etc i can play for 3 hours + just fine with them. games that work almost flawlessly in 3D are just unplayable to me in 2D, they just look so lifeless. looking at super high res screens of metro or the new r.u.s.e demo for another example just looks poor to me after having played them in 3D

You're not really "disagreeing", but rather stating that you find it doesn't give you a headache.

Marvin · 28 Aug 2010 at 02:54

Anyway, back on topic. ATI's method at the moment is 3rd party drivers from iZ3D and TriDef (DDD) where ATI's Open Source is to allow iZ3D and TriDef a proper look into its drivers, and thus optimise for ATI. Which, I can't help but feel is a touch on the lazy side...

The two drivers have strengths and weaknesses, but overall I think the TriDef come out on top. They are both limited to DX9 at the moment, but both support a wide array of setups (from shutter glasses, screen polarisation etc), although the TriDef drivers just have some nice features, such as 2D-3D film conversion (which works surprisingly well).

I find 3D in games adds a new level of immersion, but it has to be the right game. In MW2, the effects are excellent, but I'd find I'd feel ill after a while with the flicking, and fast-paced nature.

Burnout is excellent in 3D, adding depth to the cars, and when you crash through barriers and such, they feel as though they are flying over your head.

So, it depends on the game really.

Freddie1980 · 28 Aug 2010 at 11:50

Doesn't look good for the future of 3D - story.

Marvin · 28 Aug 2010 at 11:54

Freddie1980 said:
Doesn't look good for the future of 3D - story.

To be fair, that's because 3D TVs are far too expensive at the moment. When they start doing affordable smaller TVs (like 32"), that don't require glasses (auto-stereoscopic) then we'll see acceptance. I reckon the DS 3D will sell incredibly well, showing that 3D is accepted, just not the price.

kylew · 28 Aug 2010 at 17:26

Marvin said:
Anyway, back on topic. ATI's method at the moment is 3rd party drivers from iZ3D and TriDef (DDD) where ATI's Open Source is to allow iZ3D and TriDef a proper look into its drivers, and thus optimise for ATI. Which, I can't help but feel is a touch on the lazy side...

The two drivers have strengths and weaknesses, but overall I think the TriDef come out on top. They are both limited to DX9 at the moment, but both support a wide array of setups (from shutter glasses, screen polarisation etc), although the TriDef drivers just have some nice features, such as 2D-3D film conversion (which works surprisingly well).

I find 3D in games adds a new level of immersion, but it has to be the right game. In MW2, the effects are excellent, but I'd find I'd feel ill after a while with the flicking, and fast-paced nature.

Burnout is excellent in 3D, adding depth to the cars, and when you crash through barriers and such, they feel as though they are flying over your head.

So, it depends on the game really.

If we apply that logic to other areas though, you could argue that they're lazy for relying on D3D and OpenGL instead of making their own. Personally, I see it as making more sense, because they're using 3D implementations that are proven to work, that anyone can use regardless of their hardware.

I think having nVidia's own propritary 3D implementation is bad enough, for ATi to then have their own, that doesn't work with anything but ATi hardware would be even worse.

mr griffin · 28 Aug 2010 at 19:57

You watch ATI 3d solution will come out next week now I just sold my two 5870's :mad:

Hoping that the zotac 480amp wont be too far behind in gaming performance. I have already done some research on what games look good in 3D but
does anyone have some good sites where you can watch 3d movies or pictures or anything that showcases the 3D for when it turns up Wednesday

kylew · 28 Aug 2010 at 20:00

mr griffin said:
You watch ATI 3d solution will come out next week now I just sold my two 5870's

Hoping that the zotac 480amp wont be too far behind in gaming performance. I have already done some research on what games look good in 3D but
does anyone have some good sites where you can watch 3d movies or pictures or anything that showcases the 3D for when it turns up Wednesday

You do know about the performance hit don't you? As in, your performance is cut in half.

mr griffin · 28 Aug 2010 at 20:12

Yeah I saw that games take quite a hit in the fps department when 3D is enabled but what can I do?. I don't have a SLI motherboard and ATI don't do 3D (yet) so I just went for a 480gtx that I thought might clock quite well. I hope it runs the 3D ok anyways :eek:

NZXT30 · 28 Aug 2010 at 20:17

mr griffin said:
Yeah I saw that games take quite a hit in the fps department when 3D is enabled but what can I do?. I don't have a SLI motherboard and ATI don't do 3D (yet) so I just went for a 480gtx that I thought might clock quite well. I hope it runs the 3D ok anyways

you should be fine as long as you can tolerate fps lower than 60. the 480 is a powerful gpu.

KillBoY_UK · 28 Aug 2010 at 20:44

ATI's reaction to 3d gaming (and to a point ) GPU computing can be summed up in three letters "MEH".

Which is a real shame, might not be able to afford 3d gaming or even multi-monitor gaming to that matter but I like to see new tech like this being pursued.

Panos · 5 Oct 2010 at 13:10

I'm sorry for getting this thread out of the grave, but found pointless to start a new one for the same subject.

I own a 5850 (PCS+) and tbh the only few games I do play atm are BC2 and CIV 5.
Fallout New Vegas and Crysis 2, haven't made my mind yet to get them on PC or PS3 (and relax on the sofa

)

Now, the iZ3D driver says it supports DX10, the TriDef only DX9 and both cost around £40 yes?

Now £40 is almost half way the cost of a GTX460. Which supports DX11 and I could place it on the second port of my P5Q Deluxe along side the 5850.
So I could use it as Physx when I use the 5850, or for 3D on it's own.
Or is better sell my 5850 and buy a GTX470? Maybe replace the motherboard to an SLI one and buy 2x460s? Any ideas are welcome.

I do have a 650 SLI motherboard, but I cannot clock the Q6600 over 3Ghz, while on the P5Q is working happily at 3.6. So I have to buy a new one.

As for a monitor there is some searching around but probably I will buy the Acer GD245.

hash70 · 5 Oct 2010 at 14:25

Rroff said:
TBH 3D Vision is mostly a waste of time, very cool effect but not particularly convenient for day to day gaming.

I wouldn't hold your breath for an ATI solution - things like this they usually make a big noise about then nothing happens.

is this all you do mate,every time i open a thread youv got something to say about 3D,we all know you have it/we all know you dont like it,but must you keep going from thread to thread slagging the the thing off,grow up pal

JeffyB · 5 Oct 2010 at 14:38

Looks like the 6 series should have 3d sewn up nicely

AMD HD3D technology
o Stereoscopic 3D display/glasses support
o Blu-ray 3D support
o Stereoscopic 3D gaming
o 3rd party Stereoscopic 3D middleware software support

Integrated HDMI 1.4a with support for stereoscopic 3D

taken from
http://bbs.expreview.com/viewthread.php?tid=37063&from=recommend_f

kitch9 · 5 Oct 2010 at 14:42

Rroff said:
I didn't get headaches - but my eyes definitely felt fatigued after 30-40minutes - I can see some people would get headaches from it.

I can't really explain it too well... but I just didn't feel quite as quick/responsively connected to the game when playing in 3D, especially games like MW2, quake, etc.

MW2 is a bad game to use as the ADS is at incorrect distance, makes it a pain in the ass to focus.

I love BFBC2 in 3d, makes it a different game. I had to fix the crosshair Dice broke, but once I did its really good. I enjoyed Mafia2 and Dead Rising 2 as well.

In short if the game is not 3d ready and you have some things rendered at 2d or incorrect depth it can cause eye fatigue as you are constantly re-focussing, but if its a proper 3d ready game its looks great IMO.

Not sure where the bad image quality comments came from by the other poster, its looks like the 2d image, but in 3d.....

kitch9 · 5 Oct 2010 at 14:44

kylew said:
You do know about the performance hit don't you? As in, your performance is cut in half.

Not in CPU limited scenarios.

Anyways Crytek have developed technology where this will deffo not be the case in future, hopefully its use becomes widespread.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...perfomance-drop-and-8-core-optimization/News/

james.miller · 5 Oct 2010 at 14:46

hash70 said:
is this all you do mate,every time i open a thread youv got something to say about 3D,we all know you have it/we all know you dont like it,but must you keep going from thread to thread slagging the the thing off,grow up pal

does he need to have a positive opinion of it to speak on the subject ?