ATI's R600 is on track for Q4

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 22:31

speeduk said:
Bottom line is it will be a fast card that supports future DX10 stuff.

Exactly what I said at the start.

Gashman · 13 Jun 2006 at 23:26

it amazes me all this hypocrism going on and how much nobody except easyrider is making any sense. he has the biggest point here, the R600 will be fair bit faster than 7950GX2 and your all raving how its ok to spend £400 on a 7950 and not on a faster, more feature rich, more futureproof card, are the people saying this all totally backward or something, either that or severe nvidia fanboys. in this thread we have so many saying 'its not worth £400 for a card with DX10 when no games support it' and in other threads were have people foaming at the mouth dying to blow money on intels conroe, people with fast X2s and overclocked opterons claiming they 'need' a speed boost, when simple fact is they don't, if your system with 3Ghz opteron can't run any single game around at the moment its simply a rubbish system, cause my overclocked 3200+ and 7600GT have no problem running most things. so like someone said earlier on, its all willy waving, so they can say 'mines faster than yours' or 'my rig does superpi 1M in 18 seconds'. shocking that people are saying R600 is a pointless thing though, im shocked

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 23:36

Gashman said:
it amazes me all this hypocrism going on and how much nobody except easyrider is making any sense.

Thanks Gashman

Just off topic a sec..

What 05 mark are you getting with your 7600 GT at those clocks?
Is it cooled with a zalman?

Jack Bauer · 13 Jun 2006 at 23:40

Theres other things to consider with this release of graphics cards, like the ablity to play HD-DVDs. Not important to some people but I will be buying one just to go in my media centre.

also when I said I would get one anyway I was not only refering to the raw power of the card, the 7950 provides this already. I would buy it for DX 10 and SM 4 as long as there is one game that I want that uses it. Some might consider this a waste however considering I only realy play css anyway my current setup is a little over kill. My point was I like new hardware simply to play with is see what it can do graphically/OCing, benchmarking. Im sure im not alone in this, judging by the amount iof SLI rigs on this forum im sure im not

Jack Bauer · 13 Jun 2006 at 23:41

Gashman said:
it amazes me all this hypocrism going on and how much nobody except easyrider is making any sense. he has the biggest point here, the R600 will be fair bit faster than 7950GX2 and your all raving how its ok to spend £400 on a 7950 and not on a faster, more feature rich, more futureproof card, are the people saying this all totally backward or something, either that or severe nvidia fanboys. in this thread we have so many saying 'its not worth £400 for a card with DX10 when no games support it' and in other threads were have people foaming at the mouth dying to blow money on intels conroe, people with fast X2s and overclocked opterons claiming they 'need' a speed boost, when simple fact is they don't, if your system with 3Ghz opteron can't run any single game around at the moment its simply a rubbish system, cause my overclocked 3200+ and 7600GT have no problem running most things. so like someone said earlier on, its all willy waving, so they can say 'mines faster than yours' or 'my rig does superpi 1M in 18 seconds'. shocking that people are saying R600 is a pointless thing though, im shocked

my point exactly

HighlandeR · 14 Jun 2006 at 00:07

Then Ding Dong till you see parcelmans face I say

Nelly · 14 Jun 2006 at 00:33

Have to agree with Easyrider here too, its abit hypocritical saying buy a 7950 GX2 & saying its a waste of money buying a R600 card "IF" its going to a faster card in DX9, just because its going to be compatable with Direct X10 etc doesnt mean its going to be the main reason to try & sell them to the consumers.

Gashman · 14 Jun 2006 at 00:38

im not sure exactly how many 3D marks my 7600GT gets, over 7000 though i believe, and yeah its cooled by zalman fatal1ty cooler

LoadsaMoney · 14 Jun 2006 at 12:11

I agree with easyrider to, i said above its worth it for DX9, but if your buying it just because of DX10 then personally i would'nt bother, if you want a DX10 card that much, just buy the faster speedbumped R600 or whatever that will no doubt be coming out around the same time as DX10's release, i just think the DX10 on the R600 is to early, why release it about 4 months before you can use it, 4 months is a long time in the graphics card industry, as by that time the new speedbumped DX10 cards will be appearing/getting ready for release as said, so the R600 is going to be the slowest DX10 card even before DX10 is released probably, and you know what everyones like they want THE fastest card.

andyr · 14 Jun 2006 at 12:35

Does anyone know if water blocks that fit 580 cards will fit the 600 ones or is it too early to tell

Marc Fraser · 14 Jun 2006 at 17:25

People are forgetting that Vista was originally scheduled to be released in November 2006 at around the same time G80/R600 are released. The R600 would have been in development for a long time. Should ATI and Nvidia just cancel the product cycle after spending millions on development.

The DX10 SDK is already available for development purposes and Vista Beta 2 is available for public download on Microsofts website. If you are a developer getting your hands on DX10 hardware is vital. The current DX10 demos in the SDK only run under software emulation and very slowly.

There may be no games released until Vista comes out, however, the games will be designed to run on G80/R600. If you are upgrading at the time R600 is released and it is the fastest card on the market then it makes sense to buy one. You will also be getting a future proof card to use when Vista is released.

LoadsaMoney · 14 Jun 2006 at 17:39

Yeah but what games are these, Crysis is DX9/D10, and thats end of this year, beginning of next, and the only other one i know of is UT07.

easyrider · 14 Jun 2006 at 17:53

LoadsaMoney said:
I agree with easyrider to,

Thanks loadsamoney,

For developers and the like then if DX 10 hardware can be obtained sooner rather than later then it can only be a good thing.

As for games,well who cares the R600 will still be fastest in the DX 9 arena but with the added bonus of DX 10 compatibilty for the future games.

The only arguement here is by the time these DX 10 games are in full swing the R600 will already be "old" in pc terms.

But the people will who will buy the R600 will perform regular upgrades anyway
and it will be easier to shift a DX 10 card thean it will be shifting a DX 9 card like 7950 without massive loss in value.

LoadsaMoney · 14 Jun 2006 at 18:00

easyrider said:
it will be easier to shift a DX 10 card than it will be shifting a DX 9 card like 7950 without massive loss in value.

Thats true.

kinggost · 14 Jun 2006 at 20:22

wel i noticed nvidia said yesterday that g80 will be out in sept so ati had to say summot as allways

TVR_Fan · 17 Jun 2006 at 21:09

Who else other then me is waiting for DX10 cards before moving to PCI Express.

TLJester1 · 17 Jun 2006 at 22:15

TVR_Fan said:
Who else other then me is waiting for DX10 cards before moving to PCI Express.

Me - but then again I am not upgrading until I move to the States at the end of this year/begining of next, and I will be selling my current system before the move, and thakfully a new system there will be much cheaper

Klo · 17 Jun 2006 at 23:52

TVR_Fan said:
Who else other then me is waiting for DX10 cards before moving to PCI Express.

Me to. I'm stuck on a 9800pro, so it will be a complete upgrade for me! Can't wait!!

Antx777 · 18 Jun 2006 at 02:06

Well, I'm still on my ATI X850XT, and most games I run are “not-too-bad” TBH (Fear/Farcry/COD2 etc). However, they hack a bit - even on my native res which is 1280x1024 (Veiwsonic VX912) when cranking up AA/AF.

Seeing I will be upgrading my monitor to 20-21” or so in the future, with 1600x1200 being a minimum, I will need a good card to max all the details out. True, the X1900XT-X does well at these resolutions, but some reviews/charts etc show that this card, too, takes the strain when run at high resolutions. – With the R600 – you won’t get that with the CURRENT games.

Upgrading to a R600 doesn’t necessarily mean waiting for the new titles to arrive – but being able to play the current games maxed out.

I was wondering though, however, if the new Geforce 7950 GX2 1024MB work on a “non” SLI board. I have a K8n Neo4 Mobo – with just one PCIe slot! Reason I mention this card, is not because it’s fast, but that it may last – and do well, till the card AFTER the R600 – in which case DX10 games will run (supposedly) better on the second phase of DX10 cards (got that feeling the R600 may suffer somewhat TBH – but time will tell)

Anthony

HighlandeR · 18 Jun 2006 at 03:25

Antx777 said:
Well, I'm still on my ATI X850XT, and most games I run are “not-too-bad” TBH (Fear/Farcry/COD2 etc). However, they hack a bit - even on my native res which is 1280x1024 (Veiwsonic VX912) when cranking up AA/AF.

Seeing I will be upgrading my monitor to 20-21” or so in the future, with 1600x1200 being a minimum, I will need a good card to max all the details out. True, the X1900XT-X does well at these resolutions, but some reviews/charts etc show that this card, too, takes the strain when run at high resolutions. – With the R600 – you won’t get that with the CURRENT games.

Upgrading to a R600 doesn’t necessarily mean waiting for the new titles to arrive – but being able to play the current games maxed out.

I was wondering though, however, if the new Geforce 7950 GX2 1024MB work on a “non” SLI board. I have a K8n Neo4 Mobo – with just one PCIe slot! Reason I mention this card, is not because it’s fast, but that it may last – and do well, till the card AFTER the R600 – in which case DX10 games will run (supposedly) better on the second phase of DX10 cards (got that feeling the R600 may suffer somewhat TBH – but time will tell)

Anthony

Some non SLI boards have worked according to the Nvidia approved list on there site... guess they havent tested all motherboards I too am debating if I should just get the 7950, and ill last it out till Vista arrives next year and then get a really funky card in 2007.

No doubt the next gens will arrive this fall/early this year and beat the 7950 as usual