ATI's R600 is on track for Q4

Participant · 18 Jun 2006 at 08:57

Lol @ this thread.

Easyrider, Gashman etc are spot on.

Loadsamoney has done a massive climb down to finally agree with your point of view!

He started by saying that the G7950 was worth it but the R600 wasn't "because it was DX10 and that's not even out yet", despite the fact that the DX10 features can be ignored as it's going to be the fastest DX9 card anyway.

He then changed his mind to say "actually it is worth it, just as long as people don't fall for the DX10 / SM4.0 hype".

So, Loadsamoney, are you finally admitting that the R600 would be a better purchase than the G7950, price factors being equal?!

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 09:09

Robbie G said:
Lol @ this thread.

Easyrider, Gashman etc are spot on.

Loadsamoney has done a massive climb down to finally agree with your point of view!

He started by saying that the G7950 was worth it but the R600 wasn't "because it was DX10 and that's not even out yet", despite the fact that the DX10 features can be ignored as it's going to be the fastest DX9 card anyway.

He then changed his mind to say "actually it is worth it, just as long as people don't fall for the DX10 / SM4.0 hype".

So, Loadsamoney, are you finally admitting that the R600 would be a better purchase than the G7950, price factors being equal?!

yup,

pretty much summed up this thread!

Richdog · 18 Jun 2006 at 09:51

I can't believe people were arguing against such a blindingly obvious point in the first place and it took this long to reach the conclusion lol.

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 09:55

Richdog said:
I can't believe people were arguing against such a blindingly obvious point in the first place and it took this long to reach the conclusion lol.

Well my point of view was established early on.
R600 will be fast regardless of DX 10.

Took a few posts to get it across,but in the end,I think people got it

Richdog · 18 Jun 2006 at 10:05

easyrider said:
Well my point of view was established early on.
R600 will be fast regardless of DX 10.

Took a few posts to get it across,but in the end,I think people got it

Well that's what i'm saying, you had an incredibly obvious point and i'm surprised it was argued against so much. It was just... common sense.

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 10:11

I think there was some Devil's Advocate going on

Surely?

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2006 at 12:43

Robbie G said:
Lol @ this thread.

Easyrider, Gashman etc are spot on.

Loadsamoney has done a massive climb down to finally agree with your point of view!

He started by saying that the G7950 was worth it but the R600 wasn't "because it was DX10 and that's not even out yet", despite the fact that the DX10 features can be ignored as it's going to be the fastest DX9 card anyway.

He then changed his mind to say "actually it is worth it, just as long as people don't fall for the DX10 / SM4.0 hype".

So, Loadsamoney, are you finally admitting that the R600 would be a better purchase than the G7950, price factors being equal?!

My point was not put across very well, either is a great buy from a DX9 point of view, i think ive actually said that a few times, i said R600 was not worth it if you were buying it JUST FOR DX10, as that is obviously not worth it, if your just getting the R600 for DX10 which you can't use till next year, then you may as well keep the card you have now as why buy a card for a feature that you cant use till next year, if thats all your buying it for you may as well wait for the speedbumped refreshed DX10 cards which are no doubt due around the same time as Vista, so if you dont buy the R600, what are you missing, absolutely nothing as you cant use the DX10 till Vista comes out anyway, so just buy the refreshed speedbumped faster DX10 card, if you want it to have the fastest DX9 card around, and your DX9 card is struggling etc... then go for it as it would be a cracker.

EDIT: The 7950 is out now, so why not buy it if you want to upgrade if your cards stuggling etc... if you can wait till R600, then wait for that and buy that, but just buying it solely for DX10 is a waste if the card you have now is still fine.

I don't see how ive done a massive climbdown as i meant the same thing, i was saying its not worth it JUST FOR DX10, not DX9 as for DX9 it will be a cracking upgrade, just like the GX2 which is available now.

Take SM3.0 when that appeared on the 6 series, all the fanboys were going ape, threads were appearing which card 6800 ULTRA or x800 XT PE, and all the fanboys were screaming get the slower ULTRA its got SM3.0, and i said why, x800 XT PE is the faster better card, SM3.0 games wont exactly flood out will they, when they do start appearing get your SM3.0 card then, but no a flaming i was a getting from all over the place, well now today, how many SM3.0 games are out there eh, how many years has it been, exactly, and SM4.0's coming out now.

HighlandeR · 18 Jun 2006 at 13:26

Inquirer might be wrong on it anyhow, its been hinted R600 was to be the fastest DX9 based card around...

Now its DX10 cos everyones crying Vista....

And what happen to the talk of X1950XT ?

I dont reckon any vista/DX10 cards will arrive this fall even

proberly next year

Richdog · 18 Jun 2006 at 13:37

HighlandeR said:
Inquirer might be wrong on it anyhow, its been hinted R600 was to be the fastest DX9 based card around...

Now its DX10 cos everyones crying Vista....

And what happen to the talk of X1950XT ?

I dont reckon any vista/DX10 cards will arrive this fall even proberly next year

R600 has always been a DX10 part afaik.

HighlandeR · 18 Jun 2006 at 13:46

Richdog said:
R600 has always been a DX10 part afaik.

Oh see, lets see if it can hit end of this year....

G.O.A.T · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:32

LoadsaMoney said:
i said R600 was not worth it if you were buying it JUST FOR DX10

It would be if you only upgrade your graphics card every 3 years, not everyone keeps ontop of the hardware cycle.

We know very little about the card's features, avalibility and pricing. I would only discuss purchasing an R600 once this all becomes clear.

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:41

I can't see how, as when DX10 comes out the new speedbumped faster DX10 cards will be coming out to, so it would be far better to get one of those for DX10 than the first DX10 card which will be slower when DX10 finally comes out, everyone wants the fastest card, yes R600 will be the fastest DX10 card, but thats only because the DX10 on the R600 can't be used till next year when Vista arrives, and by that time the new usal faster speedbumped refreshed cards will be coming out to as said.

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:44

LoadsaMoney said:
I can't see how, as when DX10 comes out the new speedbumped faster DX10 cards will be coming out to, so it would be far better to get one of those for DX10 than the first DX10 card which will be slower when DX10 finally comes out.

But that goes for every GFX card in existence.
Haven't you got it yet?

The R600 will be the fastest card in DX 9 but have DX 10 features.
People will not buy the card for the DX 10 features,they will buy it for it being the fastest card at the time.

Plus if you get one,you can sell the R600 for little loss due to its DX 10 capabilities.

You have even agreed with me on this!

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:47

easyrider said:
People will not buy the card for the DX 10 features,they will buy it for it being the fastest card at the time.

Come off it course they will, SM3.0 is a prime example, everyone was screaming to get the slower 6 series cards over the faster 8 series just because they had SM3.0, that one single useless feature, and i said at the time why, the games are not going to flood out, wait until SM3.0's worth buying, so hows it going to be differnt now.

I know ive agreed with you, im on about just buying it for DX10, solely DX10.

speeduk · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:49

People in the know will get the R600 for its speed. People who go to purple shirt places will get DX10 shoved down their throats and crumble.

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:50

speeduk said:
People in the know will get the R600 for its speed. People who go to purple shirt places will get DX10 shoved down their throats and crumble.

yes

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2006 at 14:55

speeduk said:
People in the know will get the R600 for its speed. People who go to purple shirt places will get DX10 shoved down their throats and crumble.

Agreed, get the R600 for its speed, don't just purchase it because its got DX10 that can't be used till next year, as by that time the refreshed faster DX10 card will be here, so wait and buy that instead if your card you have now is running everything fine.

Heres a thought though, AGP cards are still selling at stupid prices today, so who's to say when the R600 comes out that the likes of your GX2/GTX/x1900 etc... will still not sell well, and be hard to sell, AGP cards are still doing fine.

You have a mate, he says all my games are running fine 100+ frames, im going to get an R600 just because its got DX10, would you not think, and say well if you only going to get it for DX10, and your happy with the way all your games are running now etc..., which they would be at 100+ frames, why not wait till next year when you can actually use your DX10 and get the faster refreshed speedbumped card that will be coming as well, your not missing anything now as you can't use DX10 till then anyway, so why not save your £400 or whatever till then.

Resolutions and all that would be factor to i guess.

Naffa · 18 Jun 2006 at 16:55

But in all fairness, a new A/H interface is slightly more important than a new shader model... I personally wouldn't use the SM3.0/6Series episode as a comparible with the DX10 situation.

easyrider · 18 Jun 2006 at 17:01

naffa said:
But in all fairness, a new A/H interface is slightly more important than a new shader model... I personally wouldn't use the SM3.0/6Series episode as a comparible with the DX10 situation.

Agree with you naffa:

It's completely different

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2006 at 17:32

easyrider said:
Agree with you naffa:

It's completely different

It is differnet yes, but SM3.0 was not worth buying then just for it, thats what im saying, R600 is not worth buying solely for DX10, if you only want DX10 save your money and get the refreshed faster DX10 card that will be coming out when DX10 does, if you wan the fastest DX9 card around, and you wan the DX10 compatability fine go for it.

If someone says right ive got me R600 DX10 here we come, ive only bought it for DX10 all me games were runnnig fine anyway i just bought it for DX10, right Vista comes out, right you can now start to use your DX10, but what if say a week later the refreshed faster DX10 speedbumped card came out, would you not think, damn i coul have waited for that.

R600 comes out, your already getting over 100fps in all your DX9 games, would you buy an R600 for a few frames more, just because it has DX10 on it that you can't use yet, or would you say, right well the R600 is running the same games im playing now just a bit faster, but it doesnt make a diff as my card is running them fine anyway, so ill just miss the R600 and get the refreshed speedbumped R650 or whatever which is coming out around the same time as DX10 for DX10 as im not missing anything anyway, then ill have the fastest DX10 card when DX10 comes out not the slowest, everyone wants the fastest card.