Attack on NI military base

Berserker said:
Regardless of what you may think of motivations, or even if you think there's a hidden agenda there, that's a public statement of support for PSNI by Sinn Fein. I think that might just be unprecedented.
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I agree with that. I was waiting for the Sinn Fein response to see how far in condemning the attack they were prepared to go. Quite a way it seems. The dissidents have very, very little support, even among fellow republications. I hope the PSNI get them quickly.
 
Alphane said:
I apologise for my attitude in this thread last night but frankly I have NO sympathy for EITHER side of the conflict, if it was a civil war in the third world over much needed food or water resources I could maybe understand it but it's not it's just a load of spoilt MFing 1st worlders using the same old political and religious stupidity as an excuse to Murder and torture.
Sick Sick Sick
Grow up get over it :mad:
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Grow up for Christs sake. You have no idea what you are talking about :rolleyes:
One of the "sides" in this conflict is the British Government.
 
I realy dont understand what the violence is/was all about in NI, i thought it was protestants and catholics fighting, but from comments on here it seems its to do with NI wanted to join Ireland or something? Somebody fill me in please :P
 
Alphane said:
Please don't post in this thread again until you have something useful to contribute.
-Scuzi
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Ok I'll give you something constructive to chew on the years of 'troubles' put such a fear of terrorism into the whole country that when the trigger happy yanks wanted to start there great oil crusade we where stupid enough to follow them into hell. I was SHOCKED and it was AWEFUL

Is that constructive enough critism for you....,.
 
Alphane said:
Ok I'll give you something constructive to chew on the years of 'troubles' put such a fear of terrorism into the whole country that when the trigger happy yanks wanted to start there great oil crusade we where stupid enough to follow them into hell. I was SHOCKED and it was AWEFUL

Is that constructive enough critism for you....,.
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no thats just more opinionated bs.
 
XeNoN89 said:
I realy dont understand what the violence is/was all about in NI, i thought it was protestants and catholics fighting, but from comments on here it seems its to do with NI wanted to join Ireland or something? Somebody fill me in please :P
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Go online and do some research, its fighting over who is incharge of ireland, nationalists want to be governed by the republic, unionists want to be part of the uk, just so happens that most of the unionists are protestant and most of the nationalists are catholic and so religion has been brought into it but the main issue is what country ni is part of
 
dbeckett said:
Go online and do some research, its fighting over who is incharge of ireland, nationalists want to be governed by the republic, unionists want to be part of the uk, just so happens that most of the unionists are protestant and most of the nationalists are catholic and so religion has been brought into it but the main issue is what country ni is part of
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That's pretty much it.
 
XeNoN89 said:
I realy dont understand what the violence is/was all about in NI, i thought it was protestants and catholics fighting, but from comments on here it seems its to do with NI wanted to join Ireland or something? Somebody fill me in please :P
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Very quick brief. Quite some time ago, the entire island of Ireland was one country. The British invaded and took over. Once they had control, the plantation took place where Lords and Knights and whatnot were sent to Ireland in exchange for vast amounts of land (which had been taken from the natives). The area where most plantation took place was in Ulster. After many rebellions from the Irish, an agreement was reached where 26 of Irelands counties became a free state and eventually a Republic. Some were happy with this but a lot were not. Irish Republicans wanted the entire island of Ireland to be one Republic. The recent day conflict is primarily due to this. The Republican paramilitaries were fighting for a united Ireland and the Loyalist paramilitaries claimed to be defending Northern Ireland. Segregation became normal and tensions rose hence the start of the troubles.
 
Scuzi said:
Very quick brief. Quite some time ago, the entire island of Ireland was one country. The British invaded and took over. Once they had control, the plantation took place where Lords and Knights and whatnot were sent to Ireland in exchange for vast amounts of land (which had been taken from the natives). The area where most plantation took place was in Ulster. After many rebellions from the Irish, an agreement was reached where 26 of Irelands counties became a free state and eventually a Republic. Some were happy with this but a lot were not. Irish Republicans wanted the entire island of Ireland to be one Republic. The recent day conflict is primarily due to this. The Republican paramilitaries were fighting for a united Ireland and the Loyalist paramilitaries claimed to be defending Northern Ireland. Segregation became normal and tensions rose hence the start of the troubles.
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Agreed. Then both sides came to their collective senses and decided that dialogue was the only answer. since then there have been concessions on both sides and NI is largely a peaceful, great place to be.
Dissident republicans still believe that armed struggle will force GB into ceding sovereignty of Ulster to Eire
 
Brian Stuart said:
Last night
Seriously it is hard to tell as paramilitaries still exert some control in their own communities.
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Surely those sort of social structures will excist for a while on both sides it's whether or not they are undertaking 'operations' which is the most important point
 
Alphane said:
Surely those sort of social structures will excist for a while on both sides it's whether or not they are undertaking 'operations' which is the most important point
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The paramilitaries are not a "social structure" they are criminal gangs. It is important if they are at work in their own communities, selling drugs, running protection rackets and trying to establish themselves as a force to be reckoned with. It is more about money now than politics.
 
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