Australian Grand Prix 2010, Melbourne - Race 2/19

Lewis showing his inexperience again. Buttons been driving in F1 for 10 years and knows everything he needs to know by now. He used his head rather than his tyres and that gave him the podium, Vettels reliability gave him the win.

I'm really happy he won. Some great drives all down the field. Kubica for keeping Hamilton behind him, Alonso for his charge from the back (and I HATE Alonso!), Massa for not crashing, Hamilton for this charge.

Hamilton has a lot to learn. He needs to realise that you can't always stop for new tyres when you need them and outright win. He worked hard yes, but too hard. I very much doubt he would have kept the Ferraris behind by the last few laps and if he could, it would have been a lot of work. He toasted the tyres to get that far and aggregated his position by destroying the tyres, then he destroyed the second set before the end too. He was a spoilt brat in his post race interview, and that's why I'm a Button fan. No matter the situation Button is level headed and mature. He might not be a seat of your pants driver all the time but he's racy when he needs to be, that's the winning difference in modern motorsport. He made the right calls, the team made the right calls. He made sure he did just enough but still had some pace in hand if he needed it.

Todays race was excellent, and I'm sure we'll have a different winner in a weeks time again. Some great drivers out there and all very close to each other. Should be fantastic to watch :)

EDIT: another point. Alonso and Massa. Alonso seemed to give up when he got to Massa. Sure, Alonso was all over the place with knackered tyres too, but Massa was hardly quick or confident in ther car ahead. I doubt it's team orders, but I was surprised to see that. It was like he gave up by that point.
 
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NathanE and Dup.

I would personally say that its Hamiltons hot headedness/personality more than experience.

Seb Vettel has been in F1 for more or less the same amount of time as Hamilton (er.. I think?).

Hamilton needs to realise there are going to be days when his team will make mistakes, and when they do, the last thing you do is blame them, because there are going to be other days when he will make mistakes, yet the team (as you pointed out NathanE) will be behind him.
 
I just realised I've been sigged. Cheers for that Dup :)

Re: Button and Hamilton - parallels between those two and the Prost-Senna partnership are certainly there. One smooth, calm, cool driver who runs his race methodically and doesn't take risks unless absolutely necessary, sometimes to his detriment. One spectacular, emotional, fiery driver who is capable of quite mind-blowing feats, and drives every single lap at 11/10ths, sometimes to his detriment.

And look how well the Prost-Senna partnership turned out....I hope McLaren know something I don't, because I still say this arrangement will end in tears.
 
I think people are writing off MS way too early as well. He's just had an off day, his pace without the damage in all other areas since he returned has been good. I fancy him to outqualify and beat rosberg soon.

I agree.

In fact, I think its inevitable that MS will be out qualifying and out-racing his team-mate very soon (by fair means or foul ;)).

The problem for MS is not if he can beat Rosberg, but if he will have the car under him to allow him to win a race/title. If it doesnt happen soon, I can't see him racing in 2011. BrawnGP have to give him a car capable of winning. Not only that, but MS has to adapt to that car.
 
I hope McLaren know something I don't, because I still say this arrangement will end in tears.

Providing Hamilton outperforms his team-mate by the end of the season, he will be happy and won't have any issues with his team or Button.

If Hamilton is outperformed by his team-mate this season and McLaren give even a slight preference to Button (which they will have to if he is leading the title charge), then Hamilton won't be happy and I can see him or Button leaving McLaren soon after. The possibility of seeing Alonso and Hamilton at Ferrari in 2012...mouthwatering.

Button has a more relaxed personality and won't create a big issue if he is outgunned or sees Hamilton get preferential treatment.
 
...then Hamilton won't be happy and I can see him or Button leaving McLaren soon after. The possibility of seeing Alonso and Hamilton at Ferrari in 2012...mouthwatering.

Button has a more relaxed personality and won't create a big issue if he is outgunned or sees Hamilton get preferential treatment.

JRS is this a joke as well? :p My powers of internet sarcasm detection are failing! :D
 
I think it was a blip. Normal LH service will resume next weekend :)

His qualifying was compromised by his off-track antics. Bet he won't do that again in a hurry :p

I remain confident that LH will outscore JB over the season. When JB is on song he is sensational, like today. But JB's operating window is quite a bit smaller than LH's.

That said, if JB and McLaren manage to make the car work inside his window for the rest of the year... all my predictions are worthless :D
 
I agree.

In fact, I think its inevitable that MS will be out qualifying and out-racing his team-mate very soon (by fair means or foul ;)).

The problem for MS is not if he can beat Rosberg, but if he will have the car under him to allow him to win a race/title. If it doesnt happen soon, I can't see him racing in 2011. BrawnGP have to give him a car capable of winning. Not only that, but MS has to adapt to that car.

I am of the opinion that MS has "lost it". After seeing him struggle to get past Alguswhari in the Torro Rosso for god knows how many laps. And seeing a Virgin car go past him. I just think he has lost the knack for close combat in an F1 car. He seems so hesitant to commit to a move. Others are starting to see this and are taking advantage of it.

If MS doesn't pick it up soon he will be crushed inside.

Of course his car was damaged, but from what I saw it didn't look too bad. Would be interesting to hear more.
 
I know who we haven't seen yet - sunama. I wonder what his thoughts are re: Button beating Hamilton, Massa beating Alonso, and the McLaren radio contretemps....

:)

The one that wouldn't worry me over the season is Massa V Alonso. Alonso was clearly much much faster than Massa today despite a few mistakes, the team should have let Alonso push on really but I can see why Massa wouldn't want to.

Alonso will be having words with the team and I'm sure it won't happen again very often ;)

Massa by contrast looked like he was about to bin it at any given moment.

Alonso is night and day ahead of Massa in every department. Alonso was last, he recovered to sit on his team mates gearbox. For that reason alone Massa will be a welcome driver with fernando as long as he can keep him.
 
Did anyone see Massa swerving around like a maniac trying to keep Webber behind? Seriously can't believe they let him get away with it !
 
Alonso will be having words with the team and I'm sure it won't happen again very often ;)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82507

The two-time champion also made it clear that he did not think Massa should have let him through, despite being slower than him when he caught the Brazilian.

"No. I don't think so. We are racing also with your team-mate. This is the second race of the championship, so there is nothing you can do. Also, when I arrive behind Felipe my tyres were not in any more a good shape because I was pushing very hard at the beginning.
 
Re: Button and Hamilton - parallels between those two and the Prost-Senna partnership are certainly there. One smooth, calm, cool driver who runs his race methodically and doesn't take risks unless absolutely necessary, sometimes to his detriment. One spectacular, emotional, fiery driver who is capable of quite mind-blowing feats, and drives every single lap at 11/10ths, sometimes to his detriment.

And look how well the Prost-Senna partnership turned out....I hope McLaren know something I don't, because I still say this arrangement will end in tears.

Button is a unique driver, quite the difference from most. I was gonna draw the same comparison but that always ends in bitching when you mention Senna so I didn't. Its true through, a very similar situation. I think if McLaren hired Jenson to further their Hamilton prodigy team then they were hoping Hamilton would learn from him. If he can learn from the other end of the scale . Maybe after today he will. Hamilton will still have a good result if he wasn't shoved off, he did start 11th after all.
 
I am of the opinion that MS has "lost it". After seeing him struggle to get past Alguswhari in the Torro Rosso for god knows how many laps. And seeing a Virgin car go past him. I just think he has lost the knack for close combat in an F1 car. He seems so hesitant to commit to a move. Others are starting to see this and are taking advantage of it.

If MS doesn't pick it up soon he will be crushed inside.

MS never had the knack for close combat in a F1 racing car, which is why he was so fond of sprint races and passing in the pits.

There are plenty of example of his getting stuck behind cars until the pitstops. The one that sticks in my mind the most spain 99. He lost the race because he could get passed Villeneuves BAR for about 25 laps in the best car on the grid.

Am I surprised to see MS's wet weather/changable conditions domination dissapear almost as magically as Illegal or Legal traction control and engine software that changes each and every corner.

Not one bit.

Thats not to say he hasn't shown some excellent pace. People seem to be forgetting his lap time up until one bad race has been not far off from a team mate who has 1 years experience on him in these cars.

He sat on rosbergs tail for the last gp, that does not look like a driver that has lost it to me. It was a remarkable achievement for a driver with limited running on these regs and no racing for 3 years.

He jad considerable bad luck at the start of the gp, that simply destroyed his race with the pace the car has.
 
Did anyone see Massa swerving around like a maniac trying to keep Webber behind? Seriously can't believe they let him get away with it !

I can't believe they let him get away with it at the start of the last gp.



Alonso is no fool, what he says publically and in private will be completely different. He's a smart man who knows you dont get anywhere at ferrari publically questioning the team.
 
Let's give Massa some credit - he kept Alonso behind him the whole race and I can only remember one point at which Alonso looked likely to overtake him. Also, he managed one hell of a start. Anyone hear him say anything about that - how he managed to hook it up so well? Almost looked like the old days of the Renault streaking away at the start.
 
Vettel - once again, a solid drive, but let down by his equipment. My comment of RedBull's lack of reliability after Bahrain was met with disdain and I still stand by that comment - based on 2 races, although the RedBull is the fastest car in F1, its reliability is poor.

Ferrari - Just as I stated after Bahrain, Ferrari have the best car (considering overall speed in qualifying, races AND reliability) and this is shown by the fact that they are leading the constructor's title race.

Alonso - a great drive from effectively, the back of the grid. Before the season began, he was my favourite to win this year's title and after 2 races, he is leading the title race. I see no need to revise my pre-season prediction. Alonso is too good, not win titles in a competitive car. The only person/people who can prevent him from winning the 2010 title are Ferrari (just as McLaren did in 2007). Ferrari though, won't make the same mistakes that McLaren made.

MS - strangely, Alonso and MS ended up at the back of the grid at roughly the same time - while Alonso fought through to the front of the pack, MS got stuck with the back-markers. Was there something wrong with his car? Who knows. I still feel he will improve significantly as the season progresses. As a driver it is very difficult to leave the sport for 3 years and come back to a new team/new rules/new car, etc.

Hamilton - he demonstrated today that he is unquestionably the fastest and most exciting driver currently in F1. Do bear in mind though, that the fastest driver/car doesnt necessarily win races/titles. Hamilton deserved better than 6th, but he should put this race down to experience and move on. I think his team made a mistake by bringing him in for his last pit stop when they did, but then this is easy to say in hindsight. There is nothing wrong in criticising your team in the way he did - it just makes the race much more exciting.

Button - Bravo Mr Button. The first win of McLaren's win has come courtesy of Button. He drove faultlessly (bar that little off he had, after changing tyres). He didnt show the devastating speed of Hamilton today. He didnt show the overtaking ability which Hamilton showed today. But then he didn't need to. He just needed to stay out in front, out of trouble and make no errors. I don't really think he could've done more and you can bet that Hamilton will be taking Button a lot more seriously from here on in. If Button is able to "hang on" to Hamilton this season, I can see Hamilton getting very uncomfortable and doing what he can to get Button out of the team (just as he did in 2007).

Kubica - The car isn't the best and he had no right mixing it with the McLarens, the Ferraris or the RedBull cars. But he did. A good, solid drive. I doubt Alonso could've done much better. KUBICA: DRIVER OF THE DAY.
 
But JB's operating window is quite a bit smaller than LH's.

That said, if JB and McLaren manage to make the car work inside his window for the rest of the year... all my predictions are worthless :D

Bang on.

When the car is to Button's liking he seems to extract the maximum out of it. When the car goes a little "off", Button loses a disproportional amount of performance, allowing other (lesser) drivers to out perform him.
 
The one that wouldn't worry me over the season is Massa V Alonso. Alonso was clearly much much faster than Massa today despite a few mistakes, the team should have let Alonso push on really but I can see why Massa wouldn't want to.

Alonso will be having words with the team and I'm sure it won't happen again very often ;)

:D

Are you suggesting that Ferrari will give Alonso preferential treatment and No.1 status?

I think it was too early in the season to ask Massa to move aside for Alonso, but as the season wears on and championship points become more important, I can see Ferrari asking Massa to move aside, without any hesitation.
 
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