Australian Grand Prix 2010, Melbourne - Race 2/19

NathanE said:
Jenson said it on the F1 Forum
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Fair enough, i've not watched it yet.

NathanE said:
LH was certainly on a charge for most of the race but the tyres were taking it. Alonso was on a charge just like Hamilton, though it didn't get as much coverage. He was stone dead last on lap 1 and finished 4th with just 1 pit stop. Oddly nobody seemed to use the damp parts of the straights to cool their tyres though.
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Well, the fact Webber came in first and his tyres supposedly looked in awful condition speaks volumes to me, Alonso was indeed also on a charge but Hamilton and Webber more so seeing as they flew past him before their stops.

Obviously our opinions differ but I really don't see that Hamilton (or Webber) would have lasted the race out on those tyres the way they were driving and don't forget at the time he'd been stuck up Kubica's gearbox for 5 or 6 laps unable to get past.

I'd be interested to see a graph of lap times over the race distance, I suspect it would illustrate the point i'm trying to make quite nicely.
 
Just watched this. Absolutely shocking from Webber. He's just plain wreckless, the attack on Hamilton was pure road rage from the earlier incident. He should be massively penalised for that.

In all honesty, after the Ferrari locked up, Hamilton would have had him on the next corner.
 
Just done watching the highlight and I enjoyed the race, feel sorry for Hamilton he worked his socks off and Button got all the points.

I was bemused myself when they chose to pit Hamilton because they would be gambling on the others to do so.

Also Webber should be punished or get a good telling off for wreckless driving.
 
The thing is that LH could have, probably, got past Kubica. Then it would have been a McLaren 1-2 on the cards. LH could have then let his tyres cool a bit and just used his track position to keep Kubica behind. Then Kubica would have been having to back out of the dirty air to save his tyres.

It's all what-if's now of course but I do think LH should have 1-stopped. Would have been neat if BBC showed us the conditions of the tyres they took off in "that" stop.
 
mmj_uk said:
Just done watching the highlight and I enjoyed the race, feel sorry for Hamilton he worked his socks off and Button got all the points.

I was bemused myself when they chose to pit Hamilton because they would be gambling on the others to do so.

Also Webber should be punished or get a good telling off for wreckless driving.
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Yup. Irony is that LH has to pay a rather large fine for spinning some wheels in public but MW pulls a truly dangerous move and gets off scot free. Great precedent that's just been played out on the world stage :)
 
Good race. Much better than Bahrain. The decision to bring Hamilton in for a second tyre stop just seemed non sensical. Why didnt they just let him stay in 3rd and try to take kubica/wait for him to make a mistake.

Mclaren blew their chance for a 1-2 today i think. Still, fantastic driving from Lewis. Good drive from Button but I think if Hamilton had the same strategical success as Button he would have shown who is the better driver...
 
dannyjo22 said:
Agreed but it's no use hamilton moaning about the teams poor decision, he's part of that call. If he wanted to stay out he could have.

Hamilton is godly fast and agressive at times but doesn't seem to have the situational awareness that some of the other greats have had at times and is led by the team rather than him leading the team.
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Totally agree. That'll be an age thing.

As for the tyres decision. Jenson felt it was necessary and he made the choice to go early for the slicks. The main ground gain here wasnt even his pace on the outlap or the tyres, it was when he came in. His jump came about because as the front runners pitted and changed their tyres, the new setup means they can have the tyres on super fast... so fast infact that the back runners making the same choice are passing their pitbox once the change is done. With the dangerous release rules the front runners simply couldnt get out of their boxes costing them crucial seconds as the train went past. Jenson having an empty pitlane didn't suffer from this and all the teams will have realised this.. the luck:genius ratio is a debate that could go on a while.
 
Jono8 said:
Good drive from Button but I think if Hamilton had the same strategical success as Button he would have shown who is the better driver...
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No one to blame for that than lewis himself. Its his fault he was out of the top 10. He then got lucky with the start and Jenson got unlucky. Even if lewis hadn't pitted he wouldn't have beaten Jenson.

Jenson had looked after the tyres better.

It's just racing, some races will go Jensons way and some Lewis way. I knew the all smiles wouldn't last long with jenson as his team mate the first time he gets beaten he AGAIN rounds on the team.

He didn't need to feed that interviewer the answer she wanted when she fished for what he meant about team strategy. He took time to consider his answer then went for the team. Sometimes I just don't think he's very bright.
 
some choices they will make will be good and some bad but there is no way lewis should openly blame the team in that situation. The way he flings the car around is great to watch but was always going to take a lot out of the tyres.
 
dannyjo22 said:
No one to blame for that than lewis himself. Its his fault he was out of the top 10. He then got lucky with the start and Jenson got unlucky. Even if lewis hadn't pitted he wouldn't have beaten Jenson.

Jenson had looked after the tyres better.

It's just racing, some races will go Jensons way and some Lewis way. I knew the all smiles wouldn't last long with jenson as his team mate the first time he gets beaten he AGAIN rounds on the team.

He didn't need to feed that interviewer the answer she wanted when she fished for what he meant about team strategy. He took time to consider his answer then went for the team. Sometimes I just don't think he's very bright.
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Cut him some slack :p He's had a truly miserable weekend in Australia. It's no surprise he wanted to have a little vent after the team cocked his strategy up.

The thing is that LH has integrated into the team and has always depended upon their strategy department. Jenson, having had substantial experience in less well funded teams, has always had to be involved in the strategy calls himself. Maybe this is what LH referred to pre-season as the something he could learn from Jenson.
 
gord said:
the luck:genius ratio is a debate that could go on a while.
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Half of everything is luck. Doesn't diminish what has been done. Every driver out there gets a lucky break once in a while (even The Messiah™ gets them....just not from the race stewards all that often....or the Melbourne rozzers :D).

There's also another way to look at it - you make your own luck. Button is smooth on tyres and having to go to dry tyres that early is less of a handicap for him than Hamilton. Button's inters had gone away from him, whether they were worn, or a bad set, or the tyre pressures were off.....whatever. He knew that they were wrong, so told the team that he was coming in for slicks. At that stage of the race, with a dry line well and truly forming and with his driving style, the softer dry tyre was always going to be worth a punt. If he'd had to stop again later on - so what? He would still have gotten a good result because of the time he gained by switching early and, as it turned out, because Seb's RBR fell to bits!

Nice to see Hamilton has come down a little way from his position re: the strategy call. Bit more class there. He's come a long way as a person, no doubt thanks to the gigantic dose of humility he got last season having to bring a recalcitrant car back up the grid.
 
Lucero said:
Just watched this. Absolutely shocking from Webber. He's just plain wreckless, the attack on Hamilton was pure road rage from the earlier incident. He should be massively penalised for that.
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I disagree. Looks to me like he just got caught a little deep with a light front end and couldn't scrub off enough speed.

To call it "road rage" suggests he deliberately rammed a competitor thereby putting himself out of a guaranteed points finish in his home grand prix, which is something I don't think is likely.
 
Also lest not forget that Liegate in Oz last year was, pretty much, again, due to McLaren cocking up their rule book behind the safety car.

I have a feeling LH is starting to lose his patience with some of his teams errors.

Like I said, cut him some slack :)
 
NathanE said:
Cut him some slack :p He's had a truly miserable weekend in Australia. It's no surprise he wanted to have a little vent after the team cocked his strategy up.
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If Hamilton is entitled to a vent, how do you think Vettel must feel? :p

http://en.espnf1.com/australia/motorsport/story/12725.html

Two races on the trot he could have won and was let down by the car (read the team).

"It's a shame as I think we had the race in total control at every stage, even though the conditions were difficult. It breaks my balls. We are all pushing and trying to do our best. It's nobody's fault, but we need to get on top of it and make sure that we see the chequered flag in Malaysia."
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Two races he lost through no fault of his own and he says... "its nobody's fault".

Champ in the making and I dont think Hamiltons comments are warranted. Regardless of what kind of weekend he has had, as you said, he is integrated in that team and the last thing he wants to do is alienate himself by making such comments.
 
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I know who we haven't seen yet - sunama. I wonder what his thoughts are re: Button beating Hamilton, Massa beating Alonso, and the McLaren radio contretemps....

:)
 
Cavallino said:
the last thing he wants to do is alienate himself by making such comments.
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I agree. Just Saturday he was saying, re the police incident, that the team was behind him and that everyone sticks together in the team. But then Sunday the team made a strategy error and LH pops a gasket.

But you have to understand his adrenaline was still pumping. Got robbed of a better finish by Mark Webber. And all the negative press he got on Saturday. He was seeing the red mist after just throughly having had enough. Flaw in his personality? Perhaps. But he certainly isn't the first WDC to have personality flaws ;)
 
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