Australian Grand Prix 2010, Melbourne - Race 2/19

Berger said:
Alonso was infront of him.... its only Hamilton who uses the move or ill ram you while I try to pass tactics....

Button would have looked a lemon if he had taken his front wing off on Alonsos rear tire, it was an avoidable impact, just let off the gas and tuck in behind him rather than spoiling Alonso and Schumacher (innocent parties!) race.
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When Button has his car up the inside it's upto Alonso to leave him the room. If Button over cooked it and couldn't make the turn and slid into alonso, fair enough buttons fault. What actually happened though was alonso didn't give button room and turned into him.

Alonso didn't do it with malice I don't think, he just didn't see him.

To blame that on button is very creative to say the least.
 
Alonso didnt leave Button room, because Alonso himself did not have room to his LEFT. I.e. Schumacher was in the way. I think had Schumacher not been there, they would have both gone round the corner together in formation.

So really, lets blame Schumacher :D
 
What makes people think it was the wrong call to bring Hamilton in?

There is nothing to say that he not come in his tyres would have been completely shot and he would lost seconds per lap the rest of the front runners.

Rosberg and Webber both needed new tyres and the commentators even said that Webbers tyres didn't look great, so Hamiltons would likely have been just as bad.

Further still even after the change winthin 20laps he was saying his tyres had gone. If his new tyres had gone in 20laps his old ones would have been destroyed.
 
englishpremier said:
Are you based in Hingham then? I work (well i finished this week) just the other side, and have to pass the factory everyday.
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Only just noticed this. Not based in Hingham, just south of Norwich but do a fair few deliveries in the area. Flibster, now following you on twitter too :D Managed to miss the re-run of the GP, so good it's worth watching again.
 
http://www.planetf1.com/news/18227/6059019/Webber-I-went-down-fighting

"I was thinking of Bahrain for the people at home, maybe we should do something different, so in the end I didn't want it to finish like that but hopefully it was a bit more enjoyable."
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Yes I know! Lets make it more interesting! Im going to go round the track backwards and crash into people to make it more interesting!
Anything for the fans!

:facepalm:

Is this going to be your party piece for each race Mark?
 
englishpremier said:
There is nothing to say that he not come in his tyres would have been completely shot and he would lost seconds per lap the rest of the front runners.
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Except that he had done just as much overtaking and general aggressive driving as the cars he was surrounded by. He was on the same strategy as the people he was racing with. And beating them all. Then because he got held up behind Kubica for a few laps McLaren decided to "try something different" and pitted him. Even though there was still plenty of aggressive laps left in his tyres. He could have spent some more laps trying to get past Kubica. Maybe forced him into a mistake, who knows. Once past he could have preserved the tyres a bit more and just relied on the track position to defend. Eventually any attackers would grain their tyres up and have to fall back anyway.
 
Mark "I can't handle the pressure" Webber.

He totally lost it when Hamilton was pressuring him on the first incident, then gets hot-headed trying to jump Hamilton during the tussle with Alonso.

I'm not giving Button much credit. It could easily have gone the other way and Hamilton and Webber would have come 1-2. Good judgement, with a bag of luck.

lol at Vettels finger wagging in quali. Karma is a bitch.
 
Just watching it again on iPlayer.

1 hour, 47 minutes

You see Hamilton enter the high speed bend behind Rosberg and I'm *sure* I saw his left leg move around a lot. Looks like the F-duct got a work-out in this race ;)
 
Q: You were right behind Renault’s Robert Kubica, so why did you have to stop? LH: My tyres were great. We’ve clearly lost a one-two today and a podium for me, as I had the pace to overtake Kubica. But we have to look forward.
 
If he really felt that strongly then really he shouldn't have just accepted the team telling him black was effectively white. If the tyres were great then why didn't he even question the team when they suggested changing them? He just said ok and came in.

That interview was from immediately after the race though, so at that point he won't have time to have spoken to the team, he may have gone back to find a set of tyres almost dead and the engineers showing him a sheet of data demonstrating they were about to go really bad.
 
NathanE said:
Q: You were right behind Renault’s Robert Kubica, so why did you have to stop? LH: My tyres were great. We’ve clearly lost a one-two today and a podium for me, as I had the pace to overtake Kubica. But we have to look forward.
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Then technically he's a bigger noob than I thought he was. A driver with an ounce of sense would have suggested staying out if his tyres were great.

Clearly though from what happened when he got in dirty air he doesn't much of a clue about his tyres when all of a sudden he started reporting his tyres were done.

If I was Whitmarsh I'd now suggest he made the calls on pitstops, give him the information and let him make the decisions.

Edit, I think there lies the problem at Mclaren with regards to new drivers. They have such a wealth of technical toys at their disposal that the car set up is led by that rather than the driver. He's not really had an apprenticeship in any form of car set up other than what mclaren tell him.
 
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New tyres could/would/should have worked great for Hamilton if Alonso and Kubica (he'd have gotten by Massa with a straight run to him, his car was barely controllable by the look of things) had pitted as well. It was the faster strategy, all things being equal - the laptimes in open air tell that story. But they weren't equal, and track position became key.

If the tyres really were going away, then he should have known that and the pitstop call was correct. If they weren't going away, he should have told the team that he wasn't coming in. Either way you look at it this does not reflect well on Hamilton, unfortunately. Either he read the tyre situation wrong, and bitched at the team for no good reason. Or he read the tyre situation correctly, followed an order that he could have vetoed, and then bitched at the team anyway.

I call 'em as I see 'em, and as I see it - McLaren made the right call, with what they knew. Hamilton isn't as good at keeping a set of tyres in play as Button is, and he needed to push, so a brand new set of boots was the right thing to go for. If the tyres weren't as bad as McLaren feared, Hamilton should have told them to re-evaluate the situation. I'm sure in the debrief between now and Sepang there will be some discussion at McLaren to prevent a repeat. I just hope that Hamilton takes one thing from this race:



*clears throat*


Think for yourself Goddamnit!!!!!!!
 
Have to agree with that JRS, in the past few seasons we have seen Lewis leave it up to the team to make the class a few times rather than taking charge and saying "you know what, I need this done".
 
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