Australian Grand Prix 2010, Melbourne - Race 2/19
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I think Jenson would have known within that lap( as any experienced f1 driver would)
Not to make a big deal of it, but after he went he went off, he would've needed to go around the track again to the same point, to make sure that he could make it around that same part of the track, at a good speed. Once he went around that section, he would've been satisfied with his choice of tyre.
I don't know about that. Despite going off the track in a significant detour, his second and third sector times were so good that he was just about as fast as those on intermediates. I think he would have known that all he had to do was keep it on the track and he'd be golden.
Soldato
Why would he?
He went off at Turn 3 right? Well, everyone was struggling to stay on-track at T1 coming out of the pits (except Hamilton, predictably!), and the track was greasy through T3 for a good few laps after Button pitted. But the rest of the track was so much quicker with slicks that it didn't really matter what the hell T1-T3 was like - it was still the right call. Button, being an experienced campaigner, would have known as soon as he got into that section that he'd made the right call - all he had to do was keep it on the island early in the lap. Which he did from there on, hence the exodus to the pits from the other teams.
see what you are getting at - but he went off because tyres werent up to temp, the rest of the lap at the speeds he was doing would have done that nicely imo so he wouldnt have been that concerned I would have thought (with his known quality in this area)
just my reading of the situation at the time
Caporegime
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This got me thinking. Most peoples ideas to improve overtaking are to remove aerodynamic grip and increase mechanical grip when all rain does is decreasw mechanical grip is this the right outlook?
Soldato
You've read into it in the wrong way.
The deciding factor of grip in a dry race is the aero, which ofcourse means spoilt air when following someone reducing your grip.
In a wet race the limiting factor is your tyres, mechanical grip. The tyres let go long before the aero gets so critical the cars can't follow each other and hence everyone can follow on each others arses
I went to this, took my new DSLR and here's the result, enjoy (Comments welcome in the photography thread here).
Photos here
Photos here
I think Button will benefit McLaren massively from a development perspective but in terms of driving/racing Lewis is a cut above, he overtook Button yesterday when all Button could do is complain about the tyres and if not for Lewis' second pit stop Lewis would probaby have had him again.
Ultimately though it's a great pairing for the team.
http://picasaweb.google.com/1173441...Gmj7-74QE&feat=directlink#5454253869733529906
10/10 for that one, he's even looking at the camera.
An interesting article about Alonso
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8593478.stm
I wonder how long Alonso will accept Ferrari's handling of the situation where he is being held up, behind his slower team-mate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8593478.stm
I wonder how long Alonso will accept Ferrari's handling of the situation where he is being held up, behind his slower team-mate.
Man of Honour
If Alonso felt that way, he should have overtaken Massa fair and square then. Massa shouldn't have to pull over. Other people managed to overtake fine....
moan moan moan!
Soldato
I'm fairly sure someone or Alonso said originally that he wasn't being help up anyway. Anyway, could've would've should've. He can big himself up all he likes after the event but if Massa was so slow he would have easily done it. The fact is his tyres were knakcered and he was losting time in the same places as Massa. He may have had an endge but a race winning one? I doubt it, he was getting moments of opposite lock while going slower behind his team mate!
Soldato
I seem to recall people telling me that Massa would get his rear handed to him by Alonso and that Alonso is so much quicker that he would have no trouble besting Massa on-track.
Seems like that was slightly premature.
Seems like that was slightly premature.
I was one of them and still think it will happen. I'm fairly neutral on Alonso - I think he's a great driver & has some balls of steel, but can't really stand him personally, however you can't ignore he has jumped into a brand new team and been on it right away.
JRS, with the new regs, we saw that in order to get past a slower car in front (in Australia), you needed to be about 3s/lap+ faster than the guy in front, OR the guy in front needed to make a mistake.
We saw this when Hamilton, made up 3.5s in a single lap to Alonso, but once he arrived on Alonso's back, he simply couldn't find a way past. 3.5s/lap faster than Alonso and Hamilton (for all his overtaking ability), could do nothing about Alonso, who was considerably slower.
Like some other people I fully expected Alonso to beat Massa in a straight fight to the title, however, asking any F1 driver to be 3-4s/lap faster than their team-mate (in equal machinery, with equal fuel, with equal tyres) is asking a little bit too much. Furthermore, Alonso, after 2 races is already leading his team-mate in the World Championship race, despite Massa having the best starts to an F1 season in his entire career. I would say Alonso is and will continue to beat Massa.
All it proved was that one team mate will have the advantage at the beginning of the race, and its more likely that the other will have the advantage at the end
Nothing much else can be said about the results so far
There is no reason at all (as suggested about the Ferrari's above) to suggest that with Button leading as he was, even IF Lewis was able to get ahead of the three other cars ahead of him (which would be a huge task to begin with) why he would automatically be able to get past Button in the same machinary (and would McLaren allow him to risk it - after all JB has no reason to give him the victory particularly at this point of the season)