Australian Grand Prix 2010, Melbourne - Race 2/19

is that the MP that was heavily boo'ed during the podium ceremony? :p

As for the Massa incident, I don't remember it that well as it happened pretty quickly but drivers are allowed to move off line once in defense and then move back on the racing line and follow it through the corner. Maybe that's what happened. And I'm pretty sure that the stewards don't need a complaint to investigate it.
 
dannyjo22 said:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/mclaren-two-sides-of-a-victory/

A very good piece that by Allen on what I said earlier about Jenson leading and Hamilton being led ^

I forgot about the 2007 race when he stayed out on destroyed tyres and then of course the liegate.

Perhaps growing up around the team and being there so long has done this. Maybe just maybe he would benefit leaving Mclaren to become his own man elsewhere?

£10 says he wins the next race. ;)
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[edit] I've removed my comments on this, don't want to get in to any argument over a journo's 'opinion'.. :)[/edit]

The way things are going though, I'd not want to take any bet at the moment.. seems quite 'random'..
 
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Demon said:
My opinion on this is a bit different, I think this analysis is just typical sensationalistic journalism.

For instance, apart from the coming in for slicks early (which didn't he admit was more a no brainer due to this inters not performing), what did he actually do? He overtook Kubica who was not up to speed on his tyres at that point, the rest was totally all down to lady luck, the collision at the start, Vettel's engine, Kubica being out of place and creating a train? The weather being changeable??

Had LH not been told to pit, and had he squeezed past Kubica, for all we know he may have challenged Button at some point, and if he had passed him to, what would Allen have said then?

Of course all drivers could do with embracing small parts of other drivers demeanours, but as much as JB could do with some calming influence on LH, LH needs to get some 'red blood' into JB... It's not one sided from where I am sitting.
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Very good points... As they say, two sides to every story!
 
dannyjo22 said:
A very good piece that by Allen on what I said earlier about Jenson leading and Hamilton being led
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I think that's very true, I was watching the McLaren feed on their website and it came across strongly there too. However I think people are over-egging the brilliance of Jenson's decision; I think he took a risky gamble and got lucky. I think he was smarting at Hamilton easily breezing past him and took what he saw as his only chance to get one over on his team mate and everyone else.
 
NathanE said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8592317.stm

So an Aussie MP has called Hamilton a "**** head".

How very civilised of them. Can't see any bias there what so ever.
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To be fair, he couldnt really get away from saying it based on the campaign that had been launched the same day.

Mr Pallas criticised the 25-year-old British racing driver on the day that Victoria launched a Don't Be a ******** road safety campaign.

Asked whether Lewis Hamilton met that description, he said: "OK, I'll say it. He's a ********."
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utajoker said:
was thinking of doing the same thing :p

hamilton 9/2
alonso 3/1
vettel 9/4
webber 7/1
button 8/1
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What is the best online betting shop? I fancy a lil bet.

Just joined up to betfair and already think the site is shockingly ****, 5 mins and i deposited my betfair funds back into my paypal, lost 30p out of that transaction :( :p
 
Rybo89 said:
What is the best online betting shop? I fancy a lil bet.

Just joined up to betfair and already think the site is shockingly ****, 5 mins and i deposited my betfair funds back into my paypal, lost 30p out of that transaction :( :p
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i got them odds from bet365. ive no idea which is the best site, bet365 was just the first one i thought of :p
 
dannyjo22 said:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/mclaren-two-sides-of-a-victory/

A very good piece that by Allen on what I said earlier about Jenson leading and Hamilton being led ^

I forgot about the 2007 race when he stayed out on destroyed tyres and then of course the liegate.

Perhaps growing up around the team and being there so long has done this. Maybe just maybe he would benefit leaving Mclaren to become his own man elsewhere?

£10 says he wins the next race. ;)
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I wonder if things would've been any different if his dad had still been sitting in the garage as his manager, I'm sure Anthony would've been asking why not just leave Lewis out since he had track position.
 
people still want to find reasons to knock JB I see - why would I expect anything different.

JB had the cahones to be pro-active (rather than do another lap on bad tyres or change to another set of inters - and given the expected rain even at that point this wouldnt have been such a bad idea) and go for slicks, I think he still deserves a lot of credit for being the 1st and keeping it on the road for the most part, rahter than being slated for using "lady luck" and not having that much to do (ie passing that many other cars apart from Kubika)

He managed his race perfectly without overstressing the car / tyres

Alonso did very well from p22 upto fourth - but then considering he didnt ever pass a front running car (givne that Ferrari is one of the three leading cars at the moment - possibly only 2nd to Red Bull)......hmm ok maybe he passed MW , all the other positions he gained where either from the tyre stop or outpowering another car, not exactly showing a major amount of skill imo
 
I watched the interview with Lewis at the end of the race and really thought he was going to start slagging the team off in a major way. He just managed to keep his thoughts to himself.

He is like a little boy lost at the moment, he needs his Dad there still, he isn't mature enough to manage himself.
 
FrankJH said:
Alonso did very well from p22 upto fourth - but then considering he didnt ever pass a front running car (givne that Ferrari is one of the three leading cars at the moment - possibly only 2nd to Red Bull)......hmm ok maybe he passed MW , all the other positions he gained where either from the tyre stop or outpowering another car, not exactly showing a major amount of skill imo
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I saw Alonso overtake quite a few (slower) cars. After he went to the back of the grid, he was picking them off with ease. Obviously, once he reached the back of his team-mate, though faster, he couldnt do anything about it. In fact, on yesterday's track, Hamilton, who was about 2.5s/lap faster than Alonso when he reached Alonso's car, was still was unable to overtake him. I think to overtake on a dry track at Australia, you probably need to be about 3-4s/lap faster than the guy in front.

I know you want to see more overtaking, but until the reliance on aerodynamics is reduced, this won't happen unless the driver in front makes a serious mistake, the car in front is much slower than the car behind or the track is damp/wet.

Alonso drove a fantastic race yesterday, as did Button, Vettel, Hamilton, Kubica and Massa. The quality of driving yesterday, in general was very high and all the big players (bar MS & Webber), delivered.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
I watched the interview with Lewis at the end of the race and really thought he was going to start slagging the team off in a major way. He just managed to keep his thoughts to himself.
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I presume you are referring to the interview he gave as soon as he got out of his car?

If so, he had just been involved in a shunt. He had also just been involved in a series of fast laps, where for a good 10-15 laps, he was consistently lapping at least 1s/lap faster than everybody else on the track. He was pumped up.

Add all the factors above together and you will get an interview with a driver who speaks before he thinks.
 
sunama said:
I presume you are referring to the interview he gave as soon as he got out of his car?
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Yes.

If so, he had just been involved in a shunt. He had also just been involved in a series of fast laps, where for a good 10-15 laps, he was consistently lapping at least 1s/lap faster than everybody else on the track. He was pumped up.

Add all the factors above together and you will get an interview with a driver who speaks before he thinks.
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I didn't need you to explain that to me, I managed to work it out for myself :p

I was simply commenting on how angry he was, I didn't pass comment on whether he had reason to behave that way.
 
I have to lol at the people exaggerating Hamiltons comments and calling him immature etc, sure he wasn't happy because of a number of things this weekend and Webber crashing into him probably really got the adrenaline pumping for the post race interview.

His quick moan wasn't needed when he was on the radio, but then so many other apparently more mature (according to people on here) drivers have moaned in a similar fashion, such as Kimi when he was put on intermediates too early last year, and Buttons famous "OMGz how can the car be so bad!" also last year when driving a car much better then the 09 McLaren Hamilton had to contend with. I also don't understand why people say he isn't capable of developing a car in the same way Button can, I guess it must have been Heikki developing the car into a championship winning car in 08 :rolleyes:, I'm sure both Button and Hamilton are good at developing the car and giving feedback by now.

He had a tough weekend so he was hardly going to be grinning ear to ear in the interviews, but he hardly did a Barrichello when it comes to critising his team.

Having said all that well done to Button and Kubica for making the most of the conditions that made the race awesome, Buttons call was bang on and Hamiltons overtaking was epic as we have come to expect, and 6th place isn't that bad considering the poor qualifying and the pit stop error. I'm so glad the wait until the next race is only a week rather then two :D.
 
FrankJH said:
people still want to find reasons to knock JB I see - why would I expect anything different.

JB had the cahones to be pro-active (rather than do another lap on bad tyres or change to another set of inters - and given the expected rain even at that point this wouldnt have been such a bad idea) and go for slicks, I think he still deserves a lot of credit for being the 1st and keeping it on the road for the most part, rahter than being slated for using "lady luck" and not having that much to do (ie passing that many other cars apart from Kubika)

He managed his race perfectly without overstressing the car / tyres

Alonso did very well from p22 upto fourth - but then considering he didnt ever pass a front running car (givne that Ferrari is one of the three leading cars at the moment - possibly only 2nd to Red Bull)......hmm ok maybe he passed MW , all the other positions he gained where either from the tyre stop or outpowering another car, not exactly showing a major amount of skill imo
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I don't think anyone is slating JB or not giving him credit..

But neither are people hyping it all up.. At the end of the day he made a risky decision, it payed off.. There is various opinion on how calculated the decision was, but that's about it..

IMO he had a great drive, everything fell his way, from the tyre choice to the Ferrari's being pushed back, to Kubica forming a train, to LH's second pit stop, Vettels brakes exploding..

But from a 'driving' aspect, I do admit that IMO he didn't have much to actually do. He had Kubica to overtake who wasn't up to speed on the new tyres, and then just keep pounding reasonable laps in..

:)
 
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