Australian Grand Prix 2011, Albert Park Circuit - Race 1/19

How often do we see these incidents where you are willing the driver to give the position back because you know what's coming.

If the instant he passed massa he gave it back there would be no issue, no use whinging on the radio just give the position back and have another go.

It was a foregone conclusion.

If you wait for confirmation from the stewards or race control tough luck. You are influencing the race by holding a position you shouldn't have. Make the call yourself, give the place back and get on with it.

Ferrari rightly reacted to mclarens dithering and swapped the cars so he would have to yield to both, quick decisive decisions. Genius, while Mclaren yet again drop the ball.
 
I think Button should have pitted at the last minute before the Ferrari's had a chance to follow him in thereby giving the position back and also getting the pit stop done albeit a couple of laps early.

That or given the position back straight away
 
Got up and watched it live in HD :cool:. Didn't bother with the forum though. Is that on iPlayer somewhere?


Feel sorry for Sauber, was a good performance by them. Button's overtake on Massa was a bit naughty but I really wish the team/stewards/bernie/whoever would just tell the driver two corners later to yield, not minutes. Typical Ferrari up to no good switching their driver order :rolleyes:, though I still don't get why they have Massa TBH. What was with Webber parking his car and not doing the return lap?

WTF is going on with Lewis' and Vettel's faces though! :eek:
 
Typical Ferrari up to no good switching their driver order :rolleyes:,

No good?

Didn't button and Hamilton swap places as well when it was in the interests of the race/strategy.

Hardly up to no good. Love all the DRS fail comments, seriously what did people expect at australia. We all knew this system would have to be tweaked race by race.

If it was easier and there was 10 overtakes because of it, this forum would have the same people crying about how easy it was.
 
3)If that corner had a wall instead of grass Massa would HAVE to give enough space, I dont see why the track surround should make any difference to how a driver reacts

If the corner had a wall, do you think JB would have tried it?

I thought it was just incredibly quick thinking on ferraris part to switch the drivers - it's a competition at the end of the day of course they're going to do everything they can to win!
 
No good?

Didn't button and Hamilton swap places as well when it was in the interests of the race/strategy.

Hardly up to no good. Love all the DRS fail comments, seriously what did people expect at australia. We all knew this system would have to be tweaked race by race.

If it was easier and there was 10 overtakes because of it, this forum would have the same people crying about how easy it was.

I think most people call it fail because its just a bandaid to the problem, not the solution.

Track design and dirty air caused by things such as diffusers are the problem, fix this and we get some exciting racing back without tagging on silly little gadgets which work a bit .. or maybe not .. or on some tracks, but probably not on most etc.
 
I reckon they should relax the rules on kers a bit, to make it less of a fail.

Instead of capping the power boost and how long it lasts for, only cap the rate in which they can store charge, so after every corner they can use the boost.

Id rather see that than some silly wing flap thingy mabob
 
well, hopefully the length of the straight at malaysia should be more "drs friendly"

as for sauber..surely that wing was the same one that passed scrutineering before friday practice :confused:
 
The DRS would be a much more interesting system if it was completely unrestricted - where it could be used at any point on the track at any point in the race. If people bin it by being over enthusiastic then so be it - if you're giving the driver something else to alter the performance at least give him full control over how he uses it. Would make it a lot more interesting and likely have far more effect than the contrived and restricted way it can be used at present!
 
The DRS would be a much more interesting system if it was completely unrestricted - where it could be used at any point on the track at any point in the race. If people bin it by being over enthusiastic then so be it - if you're giving the driver something else to alter the performance at least give him full control over how he uses it. Would make it a lot more interesting and likely have far more effect than the contrived and restricted way it can be used at present!

I'm not sure I agree with DRS or KERS at all, but if they're here to stay I agree with you :). Same with KERS, should be unlimited on the time you can use it. If you want to lug around a massive dynamo and battery so you can KERS it out of every corner then fair enough to you.
 
The DRS would be a much more interesting system if it was completely unrestricted - where it could be used at any point on the track at any point in the race. If people bin it by being over enthusiastic then so be it - if you're giving the driver something else to alter the performance at least give him full control over how he uses it. Would make it a lot more interesting and likely have far more effect than the contrived and restricted way it can be used at present!

Would have to agree. I hope it is more useful on longer straights, but since cars lose so much time on the corners entering the straight, it pretty much just allows the car following to catch up. In its current state it seems pretty useless. Hate the idea anyway.

KERS I don't mind too much since energy recovery is relevant to the car industry - it is just too restricted in its current state.
 
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Whatever RBR are doing with their front wing... McLaren are clearly doing it as well this season :D
 
Came across it on the Autosport forums - you have to trawl through quite a lot of junk on there to find the odd good post mind :D
 
Vettel/RBR
Vettel will be more difficult to beat this year, than in 2010. In 2010, the other teams had the advantage of Webber taking points away from Vettel. This year, its going to be tough, as Webber has had his golden season (in 2010) and I don't expect him to be able to reach those dizzying heights, when he won 3 races in a row.

If RBR know what's going for them, they will shackle Webber and allow Vettel to lead the team, just as Ferrari are doing with their drivers.

McLaren
Great stuff from them. After making massive changes and reverting back to a less complex (simpler and older) exhaust system, they have clawed back a lot of the time they seemed to be losing in pre-season testing.

Contrary to popular belief, I expect the gap between Hamilton and Button to be larger than it was last season, for reasons which I have previously explained.

It was little silly for Button (above all people), to expect to get away with gaining an advantage over Massa, when did the illegal overtake. He is an intelligent racer, which means that even if his team (who aren't particularly bright) didn't realise what was about to happen, Button himself should've made the decision.

When it comes to strategy and race decisions, McLaren really are shockingly bad. Hopefully, Button will learn from today's error.

It is also great to see that Mclaren are now able to manufacture their carbon fibre parts with controlled flexing (see Nathan's video above).

DRS
A lot of people before this race were predicting that passing would be as easy as pressing a button to pass the guy in front. I argued that this was not going to be the case and low and behold, as we saw today the DRS is not a "push to pass" button. It merely allows the car behind to get closer. This has the effect of making racing that bit more exciting.

The DRS is doing exactly what it was designed to do...ie. if the car in front is only 0.5s-1s/lap slower, DRS won't allow you to overtake (easily). The driver behind will still need to get stuck in and use skill to overtake.

Dannyjo, I remember you stated that KERS + DRS = easy overtake...well I hope you now agree with me in that this is not the case.

DRS has worked exactly how the FIA expected it to - it brings the driver behind closer to the car in front and gives the driver behind a better opportunity to make the pass. The button is not designed as a "push-to-pass" solution.

Multitasking and cockpit workload
What I did find interesting today was that MSc who claimed that the workload (with all the buttons to press in 2011), is no different than it was in previous years. Well MSc, for whatever reason, you seemed to struggle, in comparison to your younger (play station generation) team-mate. Is this just a coincidence? The top 3 drivers today, all happen to be youngsters. Even Alonso, who is now 30 years old seemed to be struggling with KERS (see below).

Did anybody notice that Alonso seemed to be forgetting to use the KERS button? His team were repeatedly reminding him to use the button more often. Could this be a result of the extra workload in the cockpit? Could it be that Alonso hasn't yet got a hang of pressing so many buttons? There clearly is an issue here, otherwise his team wouldn't have had to remind him so often, to use the KERS button.

World Championship Prediction
I initially went with Alonso and Hamilton to finish in the top 2 positions this year, but after seeing Vettel and RBR's advantage, it would be brave man to bet against Vettel winning the title this year. I still believe that it will be close (with Hamilton, Alonson and Vettel), but RBR with their 0.8s/lap advantage, are looking pretty good...especially now that Vettel has regained his mojo (ie. he has now beaten Webber for about 5 races on the trot now), which means that it is unlikely that Webber will take too many points away from Vettel.

MSc
I really do wonder if MSc will last the entire season. Why on Earth would a 7 time world champ continue to race in a racing series, where he is getting beaten by his less experienced team-mate? From today's showing, if anybody is going to win for Mercedes, it is going to be Rosberg...not MSc. He is merely tarnishing the reputation which he worked so hard to build in his first career.

Anyway, on to Malaysia in 2 weeks, where I believe we will see a Ferrari revival. :p
 
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