Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19

I've always said Red Bull will be gone as soon as they struggle to win. Just like every company that uses F1 for marketing.

I'm strongly of the opinion that the Infiniti partnership was to give them an easy Renault or Nissan shaped exit strategy.
 
233 said:
some sort of F1 fan elitism?

I might not be able to tell you what colour of underpants Maldonaldo wears on the third Tuesday of every month but even as a (very ) casual observer of
f1 it was an unbelievable display of dominance by Mercedes,

may only be one race in but I cant imagine the other teams are going to be able to pull 30 seconds a race out of their backsides any time soon.
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And no one thinks that's their true pace either, it's going to be like last year but more dominate. The only chance others have is on reliability or changeable weather.
However I don't mind that it's part and parcel of f1, most years one team does a much better effort. And unlike others they at least let their drivers race.
And there's plenty if fights throughout the field as long as you have a decent director.

Also looking forward to Haas next year. As they are a properly fund team, be interesting how they compare to the other "new teams"
 
Oh yeah. With all the excitement I'd forgotten that Haas were joining next year.

As a Ferrari 'B team' they must be pleased with the progress the red cars have made.
 
233 said:
some sort of F1 fan elitism?

I might not be able to tell you what colour of underpants Maldonaldo wears on the third Tuesday of every month but even as a (very ) casual observer of
f1 it was an unbelievable display of dominance by Mercedes,

may only be one race in but I cant imagine the other teams are going to be able to pull 30 seconds a race out of their backsides any time soon.
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I think it was meant in the "you dont say" meme kind of way is all.... but i could have totally read it wrong.
 
Skeeter said:
Oh yeah. With all the excitement I'd forgotten that Haas were joining next year.

As a Ferrari 'B team' they must be pleased with the progress the red cars have made.
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They have three factories :eek:, nit sure what they are going to di with them though, as apparently all they are producing is chassis and body work, everything else is pure Ferrari.
Which I'm not a massive fan off, but hey ho.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Tire life, speed, fuel. The majority of Mclaren's laps were 3.5 seconds + slower than Hamilton's, he was lapped twice..... twice. Even at a 1:33 second average that means he finished over 186 seconds behind, over 56 laps that is well over 3 seconds a lap slower. He actually finished some 207 seconds over 56 laps he averaged being 3.7 seconds slower per lap.

it was a stupid race really, should have been two stop, it was fuel limited but Kimi/others went much faster while on softs largely because more grip means faster cornering, gain fuel efficiency by braking less for corners and maintaining a higher average speed. Rosberg was pushing within the context of being fuel limited and tire life/pit strategy likely effected overall speed. Rosberg sped up, then was over his fuel target, and slowed back down. Again the fastest in race lap was 1:30.9, qualifying was a 1:26.4 was it. An in race lap of 1:33... is meaningless, in qualifying with fresh tires, no fuel, and no fuel saving the Mercs were 4+ seconds faster, the Mclaren was less than 2 seconds faster.

It's also being suggested that once they knew a point was out of the question and they were fairly certain the race was over they turned up the engine as much as possible and pushed harder for the last 2-3 laps. I'm not sure how true that is, the more likely situation is that going so slow he had more tire life left than anyone and they realised they had extra fuel on board at the end of the race because there would be 2 laps less to do... so just put his foot to the floor harder and braked later into corners, apparently he was coasting into a lot of corners for fuel reasons... which again points to very little electrical harvesting/usage.

Either way, the average race pace behind was woeful, the speed at the end wasn't good enough and either they turned the engine up... and the speed sucked, or they threw fuel usage out of the window due to fluke circumstances... and speed wasn't good.
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I just love the way you try to go into so much analytical detail yet fail to mention the fact that button also had a gearbox problem in the last part of the race. Whatever you say a race distance and showing 'some' pace at the end is progress for Mclaren. I dont think anyone saw us being able to fend off Force India for that long. Remember the fight Perez put up against Button in Italy last year... hes no slouch.

The Mclaren was running without ERS and MGU-K in full power mode too.
 
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Glaucus said:
They have three factories :eek:, nit sure what they are going to di with them though, as apparently all they are producing is chassis and body work, everything else is pure Ferrari.
Which I'm not a massive fan off, but hey ho.
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Er... isn't that all that any F1 team builds themselves :confused:?

With the exception of those few that build their own gearbox.
 
smr said:
I just love the way you try to go into so much analytical detail yet fail to mention the fact that button also had a gearbox problem in the last part of the race. Whatever you say a race distance and showing 'some' pace at the end is progress for Mclaren. I dont think anyone saw us being able to fend off Force India for that long. Remember the fight Perez put up against Button in Italy last year... hes no slouch.
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Fend off? Perez caught Button about 4 times over. It was just him being a plonk that kept putting him behind again, but then he still gained at 1+ second a lap and sailed past (when he wasn't crashing into him).

If Perez hadn't been a fool and overtaken under the yellows Button would have been on his own from lap 4.
 
Skeeter said:
Er... isn't that all that any F1 team builds themselves :confused:?

With the exception of those few that build their own gearbox.
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Not really, most do their own suspension, package cooling, and all the other little things. By the sounds of it, everything, steering wheels, engine maps, brakes, suspension everything other than body work and chassis is Ferraris.
And there's been a change if rule to allow it, do it can't be what they currently do.
It's a new 2015 rule which allows brakes and all other buts to be the same. Haven't heard about any current teams going that far this year.

Honda so should have had a second team this year, with that rule.
 
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No they don't. Suspension is part of the chassis, but all the other things (springs, steering wheels, wheels, radiators, cooling systems, etc) will be manufactured (all be it bespokely) by 3rd parties.

In reality Haas will just be using the same suppliers as Ferrari. If it means a new team on the grid that's competitive, what's the problem?

Its only the chassis that the team needs to make themselves according to the rules. Theres already swathes of component sharing going on up the grid, why has the Haas team doing it suddenly made you unhappy about it?
 
Skeeter said:
No they don't. Suspension is part of the chassis, but all the other things (springs, steering wheels, wheels, radiators, cooling systems, etc) will be manufactured (all be it bespokely) by 3rd parties.

In reality Haas will just be using the same suppliers as Ferrari. If it means a new team on the grid that's conpetitive, what's the problem?

Its only the chassis that the team needs to make themselves according to the rules. There already swathes of component sharing going on up the grid, why has the Haas team doing it suddenly made you unhappy about it?
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It's a new rule for 2015, so it hasn't been happening.
And no suspension is not part of the chassis and is now allowed to be shared, as said everything other than chassis and bodywork. Hopefully he clarify on twitter what chassis is. But he has specifically said suspension can now be shared.

Because f1 is a technical sport, so although it's unreasonable for each team to make their own engine. I think it's a bit far just changing chassis and bodywork.
The worry is you end up with like merc, Ferrari and mclaren and everyone else is an essential clone.
 
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What new rule?

And do you not think that USF1/Campos/HRT/Virgin/Marussia/Manor/Lotus/Team Lotus/Caterham is enough evidence that going it alone might not be the best approach?

I'd rather see 4 Ferrari's on track than 2 Ferrari's while 2 Jonny Nomates Racing cars sit unfinished and unable to qualify in the garage.

Do you not have issue with RBR and STR? Or the guys running customer gearboxes?
 
Skeeter said:
What new rule?

And do you not think that USF1/Campos/HRT/Virgin/Marussia/Manor/Lotus/Team Lotus/Caterham is enough evidence that going it alone might not be the best approach?

I'd rather see 4 Ferrari's on track than 2 Ferrari's while 2 Jonny Nomates Racing cars sit unfinished and unable to qualify in the garage.
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New rules that allow this. Check out Adam cooper on twitter.

Half of them were promised 40million limit and where poorly selected.
And no I don't want to see a single series, plenty of them out there.

As I said there's a balance between sharing costs and before, I think it's been about right. but now they can share everything apart from chassis and body work. And as said suspension is not classified as chassis and can be shared now.
 
Well, that was boring..

Woke up at 04:59 to watch that dross, didn't help with so many cars out before it even began proper.

I really don't like the way it started and the way I fare it's going to go for this season. I do hope Malaysia fares better with more cars on the grid for a start.
 
Glaucus said:
Why would I know that.
And you don't need to find anything for me.
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Dont worry, I've found it myself. Handy to have facts about and stuff...

Appendix 8 of the 2015 Sporting Regulations has been amended from the 2014 version through removing non rotating suspension structures, geometry and components from the Listed Parts section (I.e. what teams must build themselfs)
. The list is still:

Monocoque
Survival cell
Front impact structure
Roll over structure
Bodywork
Wings
Floor
Diffuser

Which is pretty much all the non powertrain parts of the unsprung car. All that's changed is you can now buy wishbones, hubs and push/pull rods from someone else.

Hardly the massive "there just painting a Ferrari different colours" issue you seem to think it is?
 
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