Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19

dannyjo22 said:
I wonder if you would have said the same if it was Vettel winning in a red bull :p

I'd be all for a standard front and rear wing. Far too much money wasted that could be better spent on other areas for smaller teams. It's pretty much the only part I'd like standardised, they run standard tyres with little impact and I don't feel wings adds anything to my enjoyment but costs the teams a fortune for no real world benefit to the industry.
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What's your view on customer chassis?

While people like McLaren and Ferrari have a genuine interest in developing carbon chassis, someone like Sauber or Manor do it for no reason other than to compete.

Engine development has been picked up by companies who want to do it. Maybe there's scope to do the same with chassis? Some teams already do outsource their chassis construction (didn't HRT get theirs from Dallara, or was it Lola?).

I agree teams who have no other use for the skills spending millions on trick carbon parts is a waste of money.

smr said:
People were hailing Perez as the second coming in his first race, didn't he almost go a full race distance on one set of tyres, with decent pace to boot?

Fast forward to today and people are saying he drove awfully yesterday.

People jump the gun far too much in this Sport, one race doesn't give any indication whatsoever as to whether Nasr is the real deal or not, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have finished where he did if you factor in all of the top driver DNFs either.
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People weren't saying Perez drove awfully, he did drive awfully!
 
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Skeeter said:
So deuse, your suggestion is that F1 should be 20 lap GP2 races but with unlimited spending on developing 10 year old outdated engines that nobody wants to build?

Sounds ideal, I wonder why they didn't go for that....
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Never said any of that. So try harder next time.


dannyjo22 said:
I wonder if you would have said the same if it was Vettel winning in a red bull :p

I'd be all for a standard front and rear wing. Far too much money wasted that could be better spent on other areas for smaller teams. It's pretty much the only part I'd like standardised, they run standard tyres with little impact and I don't feel wings adds anything to my enjoyment but costs the teams a fortune for no real world benefit to the industry.
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When Hamilton joined Merc I was hoping for him to get a 5th place :)
I agree with the rest of your post.

smr said:
People were hailing Perez as the second coming in his first race, didn't he almost go a full race distance on one set of tyres, with decent pace to boot?

Fast forward to today and people are saying he drove awfully yesterday.

People jump the gun far too much in this Sport, one race doesn't give any indication whatsoever as to whether Nasr is the real deal or not, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have finished where he did if you factor in all of the top driver DNFs either.
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I've never thought that perez was that good. It's just my opinion about Felipe Nasr. But I think I will be proven right.
 
PooKer said:
Stat attack:
This year they had 7 retirements. Last year also had 7 retirements.
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6 retired this year. Bottas didn't get out of the garage.

The difference being last year 22 started and not 15.

The problem is, there is no clear cut solution to the problems F1 has. They've rejected simpler engines and 3 car teams, a return to NA was never on the table and nobody wants a 2-tier formula except for Bernie. Meanwhile teams can't afford to run - would anyone bet against the loss of Force India, Sauber and Manor this year, and possibly even Lotus? How long before Williams are in that situation too? All while viewing figures continue to drop.

Less teams means less fans. Less fans means less sponsors. Less sponsors means no money. No customer teams because they can't afford to run and no incentive for manufacturer teams to continue funding a hugely expensive moving billboard if no one is tuning in.

I can't see a way out of this. None of the teams can agree with each other and none of them agree with Bernie and the FIA. The only positives are that Haas is coming in and Renault is weighing up a return (again). Honda's comeback may tempt Toyota back as an engine supplier, but Honda's troubled start might have wiped that idea clean off the table.



I don't like the gap to Mercedes, but I don't want BTCC rules of different boost levels and the never-ending arguments of "well, they have better traction and fuel efficiency, so we should get more power" and ******** like that.

In F1 you make your bed and you have to lie in it. Red Bull ****ed off Ferrari with them shuffling them off to their sister team, Mercedes aren't going to support a direct rival and Honda are clearly focussed on McLaren for the foreseeable.

There's nothing stopping Red Bull from developing their own engine, and certainly not money. They've threatened to do so in the past, so either shut up and get on with it or do something about it.
 
I was actually a little surprised by Nasr yesterday and am more surprised how quickly people are to be praising him, we still don't know just how good that Sauber is, unfortunately his teammate is a pretty poor measuring stick.

I like Nasr, I think he's a good driver he looked really good in F3 and solid in GP2 I look forward to seeing how he goes.

The same can be said for the other rookies though, think we have a really promising bunch this year and they all seem to have cars that can mix it up too.
 
deuse said:
Never said any of that. So try harder next time.




When Hamilton joined Merc I was hoping for him to get a 5th place :)
I agree with the rest of your post.




I've never thought that perez was that good. It's just my opinion about Felipe Nasr. But I think I will be proven right.
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Nothing indicates whatsoever he has the talent in F1.

When Kimi, Sainz, Maldonado, Grosjean, Bottas, Kvyat, Perez, Verstappen, Hulk, Ricciardo and both Mclaren's get it together then he'll drop to the back of the grid just like Ericsson, infront of Manor. Amazing.
 
smr said:
Nothing indicates whatsoever he has the talent in F1.

When Kimi, Sainz, Maldonado, Grosjean, Bottas, Kvyat, Perez, Verstappen, Hulk, Ricciardo and both Mclaren's get it together then he'll drop to the back of the grid just like Ericsson, infront of Manor. Amazing.
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It was promising to see he had the strength of mind to run in front of Ricciardo and Raikkonen without making any mistakes (that I remember), other than perhaps being a touch over eager in turns 1 and 2. A mature and solid debut, but I agree that it's early to judge his ability.

Sainz on the other hand showed a bit of nerves in traffic at the start, but then he is a little less experienced too.
 
deuse said:
Well your getting "innovation" now but you're moaning about it being dull.

F1 was most popular in 2008 and has been dying fan wise ever since.
WDC was won by just one point for 3 seasons(Think I'm right)

Now the team with the best engine and aero will win. So lets give the car back to the driver.

1-standard Floor
2-standard Front and rear wing. But there will be 3 types of front\rear wings for different tracks.

Stop all this fuel saving rubbish and have them turn the engine full whack.
They could even do what MotoGp do and let them have soft or hard tires at the same time. This alone would help with racing.

F1 should be more like MotoGp. Race like the devil until either you run out of fuel or your tires give up.
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Unfortunately in motogp they cannot do this either, once the ecu detects there isn't enough fuel to last the race it goes into an fuel saving mode. Riders also have to save tyres, as they can only change them if there is enough rain, or after it beinging declared a wet race back to slicks, there has been plenty of occassions where the tyres have gone off so much the bikes are dangerous to ride. If you watch a race you will always see tyre and fuel saving taking place.
Whenever you get such a rule change in f1 there will always be a manufacturer who becomes dominant for a few seasons, that has always been the case. I also didn't see Hamilton's win as no different from anyone else who can control the race from being in front, it could quite have easily been rosberg and it probably will be in future races. It was hardly convincing being less than 2 seconds in front at the chequered flag, if he'd been half a minute in front then yes it would have been...
 
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Meh, it wasn't enough for me to think he did anything outstanding, Ricciardo has had big problems all weekend, the Red Bull was pretty dire. Kimi just seemed to pick up from where he left off last season, the cars a lot better but Vettel showed who I think will boss that pairing.

I like Nasr, and the way he comes across in his interviews but it is far too early to judge, especially from what was such a drop out race.
 
Skeeter said:
Standard aero, standard floor, V8s NA engines and short sprint races with no pit stops. It certainly seems like that's what you said?

What did you actually mean then?
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I never said standard aero I said standard floor\front\back wings. Nothing about the rest of the car.
You do know there is a body between the front and rear wing?

I never said sprint races and no pit stops either(please try to get things right). But there again you love adding things and trying for a argument.

What I did say is let teams a mix of soft\hard tires like MotoGp.

You must try harder. A bit like RB\McLaren failing in every department.
 
How would you have a flat out race until tyres or fuel ran out that wasnt a sprint race with no pitstops?

If you put as much effort into forming a coherent and consistent point as you do to firing abuse at anyone who questions you then you might have more luck. Its quite difficult to decypher what it is your trying to put across most of the time (with the exception of the consistent "grrr I hate the V6s" baseline).

What are your suggestions to fix F1?
 
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Guerrilla said:
Yea I think the current regulations are (unfortunately) set up in such a way that if one team has a big advantage there isn't a lot other teams can realistically do to close the gap.
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I've said as much for years, poor tyres and no refuelling (which results in under fuelled cars and everyone on the same strategy) basically means that drivers are limited by what their cars can do. It punishes those drivers who are able to drive a car at 120% and helps those who can't, driver ability is less of a factor nowadays unless you're talking inter-team rivalry.

Look at how much Vettel dominated for all those years and was hyped as a qualifying master, then new car changes in and he got thoroughly embarrassed by a rookie and now he's being matched by Raikonnen who couldn't touch Alonso last season.
 
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chriscatt said:
Unfortunately in motogp they cannot do this either, once the ecu detects there isn't enough fuel to last the race it goes into an fuel saving mode. Riders also have to save tyres, as they can only change them if there is enough rain, or after it beinging declared a wet race back to slicks, there has been plenty of occassions where the tyres have gone off so much the bikes are dangerous to ride. If you watch a race you will always see tyre and fuel saving taking place....
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Yes but they go full blast till either the tire\fuel makes them slow down. I've seen riders run out of fuel before the end of the race.
And I've seen riders fall back due to the tires wearing out.
 
deuse said:
Again who said no pit stops? oh that's right you for an argument. oh dear...
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But your point makes no sense! You can't have a flat out race until tyres or fuel run out and allow pit stops. The 2 are mutually exclusive. Allowing them to change tyres or refuel will mean there will be tyre and fuel strategies. The only way to remove tyre and fuel strategies is to stop them changing tyres or refueling, I.e remove pit stops.

How arent you following that?
 
deuse said:
F1 was most popular in 2008 and has been dying fan wise ever since.
WDC was won by just one point for 3 seasons(Think I'm right)

Now the team with the best engine and aero will win. So lets give the car back to the driver.
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F1 was most popular (statistically) back then, true, but I remember everyone crossing everything for rain before each race. While the championship battles were sometimes interesting (the same set of rules also led the utter dominance of Schumacher), the actual racing was usually dire, and couldn't be any further removed from the driver with the traction control, pit strategy and silly aero.

It's true that they could generally drive harder thanks to the rock-solid Bridgestones, but if you think they wouldn't be managing the Bridgestone tyres if they had them now, as well as the fuel, you're mistaken. We also had the Trulli trains and races with overtakes you could count on one hand. There were some races where there were zero on-track overtakes after the first lap (and not just at Monaco). I pray we never see those days again.
 
Skeeter said:
But your point makes no sense!
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No it's you out for an argument again.

this_is_gav said:
F1 was most popular (statistically) back then, true, but I remember everyone crossing everything for rain before each race. While the championship battles were sometimes interesting (the same set of rules also led the utter dominance of Schumacher), the actual racing was usually dire, and couldn't be any further removed from the driver with the traction control, pit strategy and silly aero.

It's true that they could generally drive harder thanks to the rock-solid Bridgestones, but if you think they wouldn't be managing the Bridgestone tyres if they had them now, as well as the fuel, you're mistaken. We also had the Trulli trains and races with overtakes you could count on one hand. There were some races where there were zero on-track overtakes after the first lap (and not just at Monaco). I pray we never see those days again.
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I liked F1 the best from when Alonso beat schui, until 2010. After that it all just got silly.

Team managers moan more then the fans now. F1 needs another 4 teams. But that's just my opinion.
 
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