Austrian Grand Prix 2014, Spielberg - Race 8/19

CaptainRAVE said:
but this has been happening almost every time. Why are his pit stops ALWAYS slower? Seriously asking, I have no idea!
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Is he pulling up in exactly the right spot? Is he working the brakes harder, creating extra heat in the hubs? Does he break a mirror and run over a black cat every day? And has someone actually checked to see if his stops really are always slower, or is there an element of 'waaaaaaaaaah why does Lewis always get bad luck?' going on? ;):D
 
His stops do seem to be slower.. But then they also seemed slower at McLaren, which would point to something he is doing not quite as good as the other guy. Who knows? Maybe We should blame smr for it all?
 
JRS said:
Is he pulling up in exactly the right spot? Is he working the brakes harder, creating extra heat in the hubs? Does he break a mirror and run over a black cat every day? And has someone actually checked to see if his stops really are always slower, or is there an element of 'waaaaaaaaaah why does Lewis always get bad luck?' going on? ;):D
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I don't know about on the whole, but the past few races they have certainly been slower.

It doesn't seem to make any difference whether he comes in first or second, so it's not a question of the pit guys fatiguing. It could be something as simple of braking later into the garage, or being at a slightly odd angle, or a couple of inches either side of his marks.

Or it might just be luck of draw that will even out over a season.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Karma for those four years of virtually flawless reliability (while Webber had nothing but bad luck constantly)
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That's the thing about Red Bull... they can never get the two cars to be the same. They must have pretty rubbish quality control.

Whereas at Canada when the two Mercedes had problems, they both had the same problem on the same lap. Yes Toto wouldn't have wanted the failure at all etc, but their quality control must be pretty top notch for it to fail on both cars at the same time!
 
JeditOjanen said:
Or they're putting development parts on their most experienced driver's car and only giving the perfected articles to the lesser driver.
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For F1 that would be completely illogical.

Given the %'s they play (as in every team), I cant see Vettel being given the potentially better parts that hadnt yet been tested.

Also lets say he WAS given one or two parts in different races , and he had failures / big issues....he would be the first to put his hand up and say " ok , Ive now done this (for the good of the team), now give me the fully 100% tested parts now and let Ricciardo have the more questionable parts that need testing (even if they are meant to give better performance)
 
smr said:
I was asking if anyone else wanted to do it (as in I can't be bothered :p)
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So I've done it. ;)

I added together the total time in the pits for both drivers during each race then worked out the margin between them.

Nico has been quicker at every race bar Canada and Malaysia.

Canada is obviously moot as Hamilton DNF'd but that quicker stop did bring him out in front of Rosberg before he retired. In Malaysia Hamilton was 0.28 quicker over the three stops.

Here's the list:

Austria / Nico quicker / 1.643 seconds
Canada / Lewis quicker / 1.013 seconds
Monaco / Nico quicker / 2.837 seconds
Spain / Nico quicker / 1.978 seconds
China / Nico quicker / 0.601 seconds
Bahrain / Nico quicker / 0.075 seconds
Malaysia / Lewis quicker / 0.28 seconds
Australia N/A as Lewis DNF'd.

In total over the seven races since Australia, Nico has gained 5.841 seconds in the pits over Hamilton.
 
Irish_Tom said:
So I've done it. ;)

I added together the total time in the pits for both drivers during each race then worked out the margin between them.

Nico has been quicker at every race bar Canada and Malaysia.

Canada is obviously moot as Hamilton DNF'd but that quicker stop did bring him out in front of Rosberg before he retired. In Malaysia Hamilton was 0.28 quicker over the three stops.

Here's the list:

Austria / Nico quicker / 1.643 seconds
Canada / Lewis quicker / 1.013 seconds
Monaco / Nico quicker / 2.837 seconds
Spain / Nico quicker / 1.978 seconds
China / Nico quicker / 0.601 seconds
Bahrain / Nico quicker / 0.075 seconds
Malaysia / Lewis quicker / 0.28 seconds
Australia N/A as Lewis DNF'd.

In total over the seven races since Australia, Nico has gained 5.841 seconds in the pits over Hamilton.
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Obvious pit crew bias confirmed

MAN THE PITCHFORKS!
 
CaptainRAVE said:
I can see where it is coming from. If it was a few times then fair enough.....but this has been happening almost every time. Why are his pit stops ALWAYS slower? Seriously asking, I have no idea!
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Is it because he is black Hamilton? :D
 
I definitely don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory but you can't argue with the data.

For some reason, whether it's Lewis or the pit crew making mistakes or it's genuine bad luck, his stops are costing him time in the majority of races.
 
Prove you can consistently and deliberately make a pitstop slower by fractions of a second, after removing the larger differences that are likely down to a sticking wheel, or a duff airgun.

It's not robots welding something in a factory. It's one driver and (say) fifteen human mechanics jacking a car up and changing 4 wheels, typically in under three seconds. Slightest slip from any of them even with all the practice and training and it's still well within the margin of error.

On a similar kind of subject - why is Vettel getting the unreliable Red Bull?

Some of it is just pure luck. It's just that fractions of something, be it the tolerance on a part or a bit of time in a pitstop can make all the difference to the result in F1.
 
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