Austrian Grand Prix 2014, Spielberg - Race 8/19

Why didn't Vettel get a penalty for hitting Gutierrez?

They must already feel sorry for his appalling season so far. ;)

Shame Massa couldn't keep pole. Bad pit stop decisions for Williams. And its about time Lewis' pit crew had their weetabix for breakfast!
 
That's quite arrogant is it not?

NO. It is the reasonable conclusion of any sensible person.

He won the 4 races after the 1st one and was on pole for the Aus. He no doubt would have won there had he not had his car break on him.

Canada - I cant say he would have won that but without the problem he would have definitely come at least second.
 
They are the same mechs are they not?
Both set of wheel changers perform the same job at each change do they not?

Possibly I take little notice in changes these days, it didn't use to be. Still I bet most are not German and who would dare tell them to screw over one driver and then not have it all over the papers.
 
Is that the first time Rosberg has beaten Lewis in a straight (ish) fight?

That wasn't a straight fight as Lewis started six places behind him on the grid. One of the requirements of a straight fight, in my view, would be for them to both start on the front row. You could argue that, looking at the whole race weekend including qualifying, Rosberg earned his place further up the grid and thus "beat" Lewis fairly.

Well I'm just looking at the races themselves and I still don't believe Rosberg has beaten Lewis in a straight fight this year.

Lewis retired in both Australia and Canada through no fault of his own (don't try to argue about Canada - it was purely a timing issue with his pitstop allowing his brakes to cook rather than "lesser" management skills).

Monaco was highly dubious because of the qualifying question marks but, even so, Lewis was clearly faster than Rosberg for the first part of the race and it was only the nature of the circuit which allowed Rosberg to stay ahead - anywhere else Lewis would have had him fairly easily.

So no, Rosberg has yet to beat Lewis in a straight fight where they both start in adjacent grid positions and have cars which both perform the same. All the talk by Brundle/Crofty on Sky about Rosberg "proving he has the tools to beat Lewis" was utter twaddle - he's proven no such thing so far, he's just been very lucky.
 
On another subject, I have to say that Horner and Vettel are obviously a match made in heaven as they both seem to have a propensity for throwing their toys out of the pram when things don't go their way.

Red Bull have every right to be annoyed with Renault and their underperformance this year but you don't air it in public. As someone commented this weekend, Red Bull are as close as makes no difference to a Renault "works team". Obviously Ferrari make their own engines but I don't recall any other team being so openly critical of their engine partner as Horner was today.

Very immature.
 
That wasn't a straight fight as Lewis started six places behind him on the grid. One of the requirements of a straight fight, in my view, would be for them to both start on the front row. You could argue that, looking at the whole race weekend including qualifying, Rosberg earned his place further up the grid and thus "beat" Lewis fairly.

Well I'm just looking at the races themselves and I still don't believe Rosberg has beaten Lewis in a straight fight this year.

Lewis retired in both Australia and Canada through no fault of his own (don't try to argue about Canada - it was purely a timing issue with his pitstop allowing his brakes to cook rather than "lesser" management skills).

Monaco was highly dubious because of the qualifying question marks but, even so, Lewis was clearly faster than Rosberg for the first part of the race and it was only the nature of the circuit which allowed Rosberg to stay ahead - anywhere else Lewis would have had him fairly easily.

So no, Rosberg has yet to beat Lewis in a straight fight where they both start in adjacent grid positions and have cars which both perform the same. All the talk by Brundle/Crofty on Sky about Rosberg "proving he has the tools to beat Lewis" was utter twaddle - he's proven no such thing so far, he's just been very lucky.

I guess you missed the "ish" in my post...
 
Given Jenson's age I'm pretty sure it would be a one year contract... who do you think would join Mclaren if his contract wasn't renewed?

Regarding Hamilton - all of his fans say if it wasn't for his 2 DNFS he'd be leading the championship as though it's fact.

That's quite arrogant is it not? Who is to say he definitely would have won those races or collected good points even without his DNFs? Probability by virtue of reason cannot be considered fact.

Given that every time a Mercedes has finished a race this year its been 1st or 2nd, its a more accurate estimate that Hamilton would have finished in the top 2 had he not retired than it is to estimate that he wouldn't.
 
While this race was dire, I couldn't help notice one positive aspect to it. How lovely the scenery was and all the trees around the track feeling a bit like Spa. For such a short track it certainly has good elevation and flow. Especially the corners heading towards the little hill for the finish. Some parts also reminded me of Fuji.

Shame there wasn't a great deal of wheel to wheel action.
 
It seemed a lovely setting but it looked very sparse track side all the way around and most of the stands seemed set quite a way back ?

I enjoyed the race tbh, cant really understand why everyone saying it was boring !
 
Well, when the Merc's runaway and it's pretty much set… There really isn't much excitement. Now Bahrain, that was something. Still, it was just two cars.
 
Just seen the race on iplayer. Pretty good stuff, really nice to see a Williams on the podium well done Bottas. I think Nico was a little lucky, if Lewis had slotted in behind him after the pit stops instead of 3rd I think he would have nailed him for sure. Consistency is fine when you're out front but it's speed you need when your second place and I personally don't believe nico has it. If the places were swapped around I believe Lewis would pull away.

Anyway, good race :)
 
It seemed a lovely setting but it looked very sparse track side all the way around and most of the stands seemed set quite a way back ?

I enjoyed the race tbh, cant really understand why everyone saying it was boring !

Red Bull decommissioned it for racing and took away most of the spectator areas. But the stands they have built are, as you say, well back from the track. Hopefully the spectator areas are improved in the future.
 
I found the race a bit average tbh. There werent any really exciting overtakes, all very ordinary drs passes mostly and the strategies werent exciting either. I do like the track though, must be great fun to drive and the scenery is stunning.
 
Best bit of the "Race" was Natalie Pinkham and Lauda interview.. Still not too bad, Looks a stunning setting though!
 
It seemed a lovely setting but it looked very sparse track side all the way around and most of the stands seemed set quite a way back ?

I enjoyed the race tbh, cant really understand why everyone saying it was boring !

My first post today was saying how much I was looking forward to a great race and how I thought Austria would be a good race to visit next year.

After the event, yes, it was a decent race but as for visiting next year? I don't think so. Lovely circuit but the stands are too far away from the track. Too far from a major town too tbh. Worse than Spa (I'm not keen on camping).
 
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