Austrian Grand Prix 2016, Spielberg - Race 9/21

Just finished watching the highlights despite accidentally seeing that Hamilton won on the last lap via Facebook. As I was watching it I couldn't work out how he was going to do it as the lap was running out fast and then bam!! Then they were talking about Hamilton slowing so I was like, so how did he win?? Then he goes on to win and the icing on the cake was that Rosberg failed to finish second. :D

I'd have preferred him to get punished more but meh, like they said blue on blue never gets as big a punishment. (As right or wrong as that is..)

I still think Hamilton is going to have an uphill battle due to parts that will need changing but I'd love it if he edges out Rosberg for the Championship especially if it's by the points that Hulk took from him at his hometown of Monaco. :D :D He would actually implode I think all while saying it was someone else's fault.
 
Just watched Toto's interview on sky, he says Rosberg brakes failed on turn 1, Rosberg doesn't mention this in his silly video and even states he left it late at that bend etc.

So is toto lying and trying to defend nico? And 2, if his brakes had failed, why did he carry on round the track, surely that's a black flag incident?
 
Just watched Toto's interview on sky, he says Rosberg brakes failed on turn 1, Rosberg doesn't mention this in his silly video and even states he left it late at that bend etc.

So is toto lying and trying to defend nico? And 2, if his brakes had failed, why did he carry on round the track, surely that's a black flag incident?

Brake by wire failed, not a total failure. I believe it just fails back to the old hydraulic way instead.
 
Really want Hamilton to leave Merc now tbh, Wolff still refusing to accept that Rosberg was to blame.

Hamilton should stay just to keep ****ing Rosberg off. It's not like Rosberg's got what it takes to win a WDC off Hamilton. Hamilton's proven he can win championships. Rosberg can't, even in the best car, and he's more trouble than he's worth for a number two driver. There's only one multiple world champion in that team, and it isn't Rosberg.
 
Brake by wire failed, not a total failure. I believe it just fails back to the old hydraulic way instead.

There is no hydraulic link to the rear brakes any more. Brake by wire failure would mean unpredictable or no rear brakes at all. Rosbergs car showed no signs of that.

Toto is making stuff up to try to defend Rosberg, for reasons that are becoming difficult to understand. Lauda's view went from "maybe he had a brake failure" to "I know he had a brake failure" through the course of a single interview.
 
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A broken front wing isn't a serious mechanical difficulty.

It being jammed under the car, spreading CF everywhere with the potential to prevent the driver from being able to control the car is.

That's why he got the reprimand and the 2 points.
 
Brake by wire failed, not a total failure. I believe it just fails back to the old hydraulic way instead.

Cool ty for clarifying, thought he just meant failed lol.


BBW fail means that the mgu-k has stopped applying breaking pressure. In general cars run between 50-60% front bias, meaning front brakes do a little more work than rear brakes. The rear brakes afaik are about 40% disc and 60% mgu-k. If/when the mgu-k fails, it means you brake at the normal point but 25-30% of your total braking power is just missing. Every single time we've seen BBW failure the car braking has gone right off the track. Bahrain at the first turn for Rosberg, it let Kimi pass him easily. Hamilton was it at the Canada hairpin, went way out deep into the run off when his brakes went.

BBW failure means 99/100 times running straight off the track and likely locking up front tires with way too much braking being done by front brakes compared to rear.

The rear brake discs are basically 60% smaller than they use to be to deal with 60% less of the braking they are required to do so BBW going usually means rears insanely quickly overheat, sometimes failing near instantly. Only choice is to push brake bias as far forwards as it will go.

Perez's BBW failed so when he put his foot down the brake power just wasn't there and he went straight off the track.

Lauda is saying BBW went at turn 1, so at worst Rosberg knew about it. But it's just an excuse. Buxton asked Toto after he said brake failure along the lines off, but if brakes are bad surely Rosberg has to manage that by breaking much earlier... to which Toto replied something like, you're always trying to get something controversial, but you already know the answer.

Basically Toto confirmed that yes if he had a known brake problem he should have braked MUCH earlier to make the corner safely. Rosberg himself is saying he went deeper into the corner and basically didn't mention brakes.

There is zero possibility that if Rosberg knew BBW failed he wouldn't blame that, because it's a damn brilliant and infallible excuse, one he hasn't gone near.

On top of that Rosberg in that video said he didn't expect Hamilton to turn in.... wow. If Hamilton didn't turn in probably 1-2/10ths of a second later he'd be off the track. Any driver saying he didn't expect Hamilton to turn in before going off track is flat out lying, no question. Hamilton actually went silly deep, silly wide and probably knowing what Rosberg has been like maybe even also because of his poor previous corner, left WAY more room than I expected him to, way more than he needed to. He could have gone much tighter, left room and been completely fair. Hamilton went out of his way to leave as much room as possible and basically was avoiding Rosberg and Rosberg did the opposite, he refused to turn, compromised his own corner and made contact with Hamilton.

A broken front wing isn't a serious mechanical difficulty.

A broken front wing, no, but a front wing lodged under the car is much more serious than just a broken front wing. We've seen numerous cars end up stuck on top of their front wing and when that happens it almost becomes like aquaplaning, you can lose any control to turn. I think Kimi did that not too long ago, went up on his front wing and could barely turn the car.
 
Toto is having to manage what is obviously a poor move by Rosberg. I doubt he would be that different if Hamilton jad pulled the move. Mercedes is unlikely to hang a driver out to dry.

The German team favouring a German driver is a bit conspiracy theorist.

Disappointed by the spectators response to Lewis. Would British fans boo Vettel if he wins next Weekend?
 
Apparently the booing was because the track side commentators placed blame entirely on Hamilton. So basically everyone watching the podium was booing someone they thought had just rammed his way to a cheating win.
 
I tell you, Hamilton is in Rosbergs head. As soon as Hamilton is fighting with him on track, Rosberg loses all common sense. He's so desperate to beat Hamilton, he gets the red mist and over reacts

This. Hamilton is inside Rosberg's OODA loop and has him second guessing everything he does.

Probably doesn't help with Hamilton being his generation's James Hunt, who can jet in from a week of partying in LA and still put his car on pole.
 
I still can't understand how nico clearly thinks he's in the right, even to say stewards are wrong etc. Everyone else has said its his fault, he really is a deluded person lol

But look at some of the comments on that video. There are people out there saying it was LH fault!?! I don't get it. People saying Nico was in front. Did they not actually see the race or something?
 
Disappointed by the spectators response to Lewis. Would British fans boo Vettel if he wins next Weekend?

I remember when i was at Silverstone a few years ago when Vettel retired from the race and the cheer for that was bigger than the cheer for Hamilton winning... :o

Still, they may all be over that now. :D:cool:
 
Toto is having to manage what is obviously a poor move by Rosberg. I doubt he would be that different if Hamilton jad pulled the move. Mercedes is unlikely to hang a driver out to dry.

The German team favouring a German driver is a bit conspiracy theorist.
Toto is not managing it very well, even after virtually everyone outside of Mercedes has agreed Rosberg was in the wrong, the stewards agreeing the same. Now Rosberg has admitted that he went deep on purpose and didn't even mention any brake issues, completely contradicting Toto and his earlier claims. It's not about hanging anyone out to dry, it's about simply admitting that his driver made a bone move, instead he's basically lying and it shows.
 
I've just Youtubed the incident and for me it's just another example of how downhill F1 has gone with drivers not racing fairly and using their cars as blockers, Rosberg not only stopped Hamilton from turning into the corner (knowing full well that Hamilton had the better outside line) but he then stopped Hamilton from rejoining the track. I can understand the latter incident because frankly Hamilton should not have been at the side of him at that point if not for the large comedy run offs allowing drivers to go flat out off the track but Rosberg should have got a far bigger penalty for the primary incident.

F1 stewards really need to start throwing the book and disqualifying for anti-racing manouvres to put a stop to it, drivers should give room to other cars and also understand that "but I had the racing line" is not an excuse for turning into someone and causing a collision.
 
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Hmm, I only just remembered that Toto/Niki were using the "his brakes went" excuse for his Canada screw up as well at the end of the race. Both then and now Rosberg has managed to not mention bad brakes involved in either race while the team are out there saying brakes caused him to screw up. There is no way any driver would have a big brake failure or a massive brake problem but fail to use that as an excuse because it's a genuinely great excuse, no brakes will screw up any driver. Hamilton in 07 or 08, Germany in 2014, brakes went and he smashed into a wall, it's what happens when brakes fail.

I also thought back in Canada that the "you've got a slow puncture, pit now" might have been an excuse as well. Rosberg not managing his tires, pushing them too hard to catch up and they were worried he'd cause one to fail to made up an excuse to persuade him to pit. His on track performance showed not a single hint of lacking performance or speed at the time. He was just having warnings about temps(tire temps?) and suddenly the team call him in.

The brakes both times was a completely made up excuse, wasn't mentioned in the stewards investigation as a factor and not mentioned by Rosberg either time as a factor. I understand why the team are doing it, there are two drivers and both get millions a year, upsetting either will lead to problems. But unless I see Rosberg shoot off the track like at Bahrain, if Rosberg's screwed up and Toto is saying it was a brake problem I'm taking that as code for "yeah, he screwed that up massively again".
 
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