Austrian Grand Prix 2016, Spielberg - Race 9/21

What I'd love is for Hamilton to win the title this year and then for the Mercedes to be far closer to the Ferrari and Red Bull next year making Rosberg have to then try and win a title against not just Hamilton but 4 other drivers that cant be controller. That would be amazing and fully deserved. :D :p
 
Spuj said:
That's what he should have done but the problem with trying to do that, is that he needed to be ahead of Hamilton going into and through the corner to drive him out wide on the exit, which he wasn't. Hamilton was already ahead going in so the only option IMO at that point was for Rosberg to concede the place at that point and concentrate on getting the best line possible out of the corner to potentially give himself an opportunity to retake the position down into the next turn.
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Ham was ahead but on the outside.... Ros should have taken the corner and then push Ham out on the EXIT - then it would have been fine and Ham would have either had to go off the track or back off. Ros really lost the race rather than Ham winning.
 
Goksly said:
Ham was ahead but on the outside.... Ros should have taken the corner and then push Ham out on the EXIT - then it would have been fine and Ham would have either had to go off the track or back off. Ros really lost the race rather than Ham winning.
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How many times over the last few years have we seen Rosberg crumble as soon as Hamilton puts him under pressure. It's like Hamilton is Rosberg's bogeyman, and Hamilton knows it and finds it funny to wind Rosberg up.
 
Goksly said:
Ham was ahead but on the outside.... Ros should have taken the corner and then push Ham out on the EXIT - then it would have been fine and Ham would have either had to go off the track or back off. Ros really lost the race rather than Ham winning.
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This.

Although I also think Hamilton wasn't really trying/expecting to overtake at that corner, I believe he was behind at the DRS detection line and so surely the plan would be get a good run out of the corner, slipstream, DRS and just drive on by into T3, hence him turning in late, otherwise you'd still turn in to be somewhere around a cars width from the apex.

But that of course assumed a half-way sane driver on the inside, but instead he had Rosberg in full-retard mode :p
 
For the last 2 seasons rosberg has played the percentages game and it hasn't worked because lewis has won too many races

But this year he gets a big lead and the potential for more easy wins, as lewis runs out of power units. Perfect time to play the percentages, second will do.

Instead he drives like an idiot - does he not realise a duel dnf is preferable to lewis than coming second, lewis has nothing to lose in those situations, Rosenberg does and did.

Rosberg could have come 2nd for the next 3 races and still been ahead, if he replicates that performance in Silverstone he'll lose the lead, he really should think of the bigger picture.
 
mbmbmb said:
Well they made contact as Ham turned late into the corner and the point they turned the car in is almost identical and both were way off the apex. The only difference is Ham turned in too at Austria whereas in Austin Rosberg bailed out.

And they made contact, they both have done it, but Hams come out better both times

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Fair point BUT there a few major differences and a major similarity (there migth be some overlaps with your point)

1: In Austin they where both turning into the corner at the same time (rather that Rosberg not even trying to make the corner)
2: In Austin Rosberg had plenty of room to go wide if need be, only options hammy had was to go to the grass leading up the corner while ahead or go off the track limits (which he had to when he was bashed), why should he ? (see 4)
3: Ham was 1/3 a car length ahead in Austria rather than side by side in Austin
4. In both case Ham was on the racing line Rosberg was not.

As side note that what annoyed me about the Spain crash again Rosbergs aim was to force Ham off (which again backfired) while ham was not on the racing line he would have got ahead by the next turn he knew this so came way off the racing line to force him off. You see him turn right and then again harder in the 1 second this all append.

Ham has clearly gotten under Rosbergs skin as he knows in a 121 battle Ham will win the the majority of the time and loses his cool in the process.
 
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Skeeter said:
If the RBR or Ferrari was his rival in the Championship he might.
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I don't believe RBR or Ferrari would put up with that kind of behaviour, in fact I'd wager they would go totally bonkers with Merc/Rosberg and demand race bans etc.
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
What I'd love is for Hamilton to win the title this year and then for the Mercedes to be far closer to the Ferrari and Red Bull next year making Rosberg have to then try and win a title against not just Hamilton but 4 other drivers that cant be controller. That would be amazing and fully deserved. :D :p
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Perhaps the new regulations for 2017 will even the field out? I'm not up-to-speed on the in's and out's of it all, but that would be great for F1 in general and even better to stop Rosberg ever becoming WDC.

Edit: I'm just reading Lauda's comments in an interview on motorsport.com on Lewis and Rosbergs relationship. He's calling Lewis a liar and goes on to insinuate that Lewis is getting angrier 'the longer Nico is in front'. I think the fact that Merc are favouring Rosberg is all too clear.
 
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Psi Jay said:
Edit: I'm just reading Lauda's comments in an interview on motorsport.com on Lewis and Rosbergs relationship. He's calling Lewis a liar and goes on to insinuate that Lewis is getting angrier 'the longer Nico is in front'. I think the fact that Merc are favouring Rosberg is all too clear.
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Its getting harder and harder not to read into the little snippets here and there, I hate the whole conspiracy stuff, but as this season has progressed, it feels like the team had a set plan for Nico to take the championship this year, one that isnt playing out as simply as they had hoped.
I know its most likely not the case, they probably dont care which one takes it, they will most likely just want both cars back in one piece and on the top 2 steps on the podium with the least controversy as possible.
 
Of course Lewis is angry. He's miles better than Rosberg but is 2nd in the WDC. That would frustrate anyone. It's a non-article to me and just an attempt to deflect some attention away from Rosberg.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Of course Lewis is angry. He's miles better than Rosberg but is 2nd in the WDC. That would frustrate anyone. It's a non-article to me and just an attempt to deflect some attention away from Rosberg.
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I totally agree but why would they want to deflect attention away from Rosberg when Toto is so vocal claiming they were both equally to blame?
 
steve45 said:
Its getting harder and harder not to read into the little snippets here and there, I hate the whole conspiracy stuff, but as this season has progressed, it feels like the team had a set plan for Nico to take the championship this year, one that isnt playing out as simply as they had hoped.
I know its most likely not the case, they probably dont care which one takes it, they will most likely just want both cars back in one piece and on the top 2 steps on the podium with the least controversy as possible.
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Again I agree but in addition I do think they care who takes it, they want Rosberg to be WDC for reasons/agreements we do not yet know about.
 
Goksly said:
Ham was ahead but on the outside.... Ros should have taken the corner and then push Ham out on the EXIT - then it would have been fine and Ham would have either had to go off the track or back off. Ros really lost the race rather than Ham winning.
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SKILL said:
This.

Although I also think Hamilton wasn't really trying/expecting to overtake at that corner, I believe he was behind at the DRS detection line and so surely the plan would be get a good run out of the corner, slipstream, DRS and just drive on by into T3, hence him turning in late, otherwise you'd still turn in to be somewhere around a cars width from the apex.

But that of course assumed a half-way sane driver on the inside, but instead he had Rosberg in full-retard mode :p
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Can't remember who said it on the commentary. But Hamilton was likely expecting Rosberg to run wide on the exit of the corner (rather than crash into him), allowing Hamilton to cut inside and take a run at Rosberg before the next corner.
 
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