yes but look at the clip above... how many DCT/ZF8HP equipped cars did that 30 year old Nissan annihilate?
yes but look at the clip above... how many DCT/ZF8HP equipped cars did that 30 year old Nissan annihilate?
In a lot of cases though the auto simply doesn't need to anticipate the change like you need to do with a manual - 99% of the time if not 100% those time I'd dump a couple of gears to get ready to go the auto can simply change fast enough reactively.
How many of them were actually trying? much of that will be in the driver for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwCIEjdzvCk
How many of them were actually trying? much of that will be in the driver for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwCIEjdzvCk
All the fangled Hybrids from Toyota, Subaru, Lexus and others use CVT... hybrids have an electric motor (or 2) so > EV
Well yeah, people with expensive cars don't tend to drive them flat out on race tracks because it's bit more expensive to bend one in half than an old Nissan that's probably barely worth scrap value to anyone other than it's fanboy owner.
A lot of people don't try to set records - the number of people driving their cars above about "50%" is actually quite low on the ring - so the odd person who is driving at 80% will "annihilate" a lot of other traffic.
Not to mention if you rinse something expensive around the ring you are quickly looking at 4 or even 5 figures for replacing stuff heh.
I don't know about you but if I had a car that could do 200mph i would be a bit embarrassed to be driving around the ring doing 60mph, I would stay at home. The video clip was a very good example of a manual transmission having the edge over auto boxes...even if the owners paid £2 million for them and drink Dom Pérignon Rose Gold for breakfast
Again, another video that doesn't really prove anything. Anticipation might be one advantage of a manual gearbox, but when most modern autos allow manual control, then it's a bit of a moot point. Give that guy in the video something with an automatic gearbox and paddles and he'd be faster still, still able to make the decisions on when to shift, but wouldn't have the delay of actually having to do it.
And the fact that he went past "faster" cars is no proof at all. It's a track day. There's cars and drivers of all sorts of abilities there. You don't know how hard everyone else is driving, you don't know how fast the cars actually are...the fact that a good driver in a manual gearbox can pass some drivers of indeterminate ability using cars with an auto gearbox is no proof that they are faster. There's too many variables there...hell, you don't even know that some of those he passed don't have manuals, you've assumed they're all automatics.
well that's where skill comes into play, heh and not crashing and getting killed at 150mph like that driver did at one stage
There was also a flame throwing Evo on the clip, i guess that driver was going to see his auntie...
Guy you realise the M4 is driven by an ex F1 driver. His driving is literally perfect. I’m getting a bit confused with who is talking about what video
That Nissan is being ragged through the gears yeh but it’s still not going to be as fast as a modern auto. All the stuff about involvement etc aren’t really relevant as we were talking about changes.
my S2000 prob has one of the best manual gearboxes. But it feels so much effort after a DCT
That Nissan is being ragged through the gears yeh but it’s still not going to be as fast as a modern auto. All the stuff about involvement etc aren’t really relevant as we were talking about changes.
my S2000 prob has one of the best manual gearboxes. But it feels so much effort after a DCT
Tyres, clutch, brakes, etc. no matter skill, in fact probably worse with a driver with enough skill to push it to "80+%", a quick lap on the ring with a bit of curbing will leave you having to replace consumables pretty quickly and on expensive cars they tend to cost more as well.
Indeed and one that has limited use of his body as well and still not driving at capacity - my point was on the ring someone annihilating other cars generally has limited correlation to the performance of the car unless it is a proper race day or similar event.
That guy wouldn't touch an auto box, you clearly don't get it do you - go send him a message and see what he says.
I know cars quite well, most of the ones he overtook would be autos, certainly the Dom Pérignon Rose Gold for breakfast and cant drive for *** ones. If you doubt me just go ask him or get the log book from that day
Nice, an illegal overtake at the end of the slip road and botched the first gear change as you 'took off.'
Even in my warm hatchback we'd be side by side, as with the speed of the DCT, it felt like it was constantly accelerating. The manual shift is simply becoming a thing of yesteryear that enthusiasts will go back to. A bit like vinyl.
No the video was a very good example of someone pushing the limits of a worthless car on a racetrack for tourists, full of tourists. It demonstrated nothing about manual vs auto.
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 17,517
- Location
- Shakespeare’s County
I said EV, not HEV nor is a Prius strictly a CVT anyway.
What? It doesn't matter what he'd choose to drive, how is that even relevant to my point? You've used a video of him driving a manual fast to prove they are better than autos, all I've done is pointed out that it's a fallacy because he'd be even quicker in an auto.
"You clearly don't get it", oh do bore off. Look at the car in my sig and read my posts in this thread...I clearly do love and appreciate manual gearboxes, and I'll always gravitate to one for fun. But I'm not going to sit and pretend that they are quicker or objectively superior, when they quite clearly are not. And I'm just as happy to call out people claiming they are, as I am to defend the experience of driving one.
Same with many computer controlled, automated things. The first thing techs do when setting up computer systems is switch automatic things off, because they can do unpredictable things and certain situations cause them to screw up.
This is the problem with people still judging automatics by older ones IMO - I used to be of a similar opinion but then I drove some modern performance cars with auto and my truck which has a tweaked version of the auto from the 370Z and it is just another thing again.