Autumn Statement 2012
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One of the biggest Gonks we have.
But not the biggest.
One thing worth mentioning is that it's now expected for Osborne to lead us into an unprecedented triple-dip recession. Interesting times.
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Who needs informed debate when you can just have some good old right wing frothing at the mouth, GD at its best.
I am fairly right wing but liked nearly all aspects of the statement. I would have preferred a 0% increase in benefits but its the price of being in a coalition government.
Sorry, outrage, disgrace send them back etc.
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The majority of people on benefits aren't the scroungers that media makes them out to be. A whole lot of them are so close to the poverty line that we have parents not eating so thief kids can eat. Yet here we have the Government punishing these people, people who aren't in anyway responsible for causing the financial crisis.
The poor are being punished more than anybody else, but the so called 'squeezed' middle are far more vocal and thus the poor has no voice. Those in their Ivory Towers need reminding that only a few series if unfortunate events and they too can come to rely on benefits.
In the public sector vast swathes of low earners have been made unemployed (note: disproportionally female) yet middle management and above have either escaped the cull or even got pay rises.
The well off seem to be doing quite well out of this crisis. Funny that.
The well off seem to be doing quite well out of this crisis. Funny that.
Sure - I feel much better off thanks to the £1600 child benefit which we'll be losing next year.
I appreciate that, however cuts need to be made and when benefit claimants are getting larger rises than the people paying for them then something has seriously gone wrong. We cannot carry on spending £207bn a year on welfare.
Benefits need to be seen as a last resort, a life line and not as a lifestyle choice that some people see them as, note I said some and not all.
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Sure - I feel much better off thanks to the £1600 child benefit which we'll be losing next year.
Umm if your loosing child benefit then surely that would mean you or your partner earn over the CB threshold of £50,000.
If you really struggle to provide your children what they need on £50k a year, try doing it on less than £20k like millions of families.
On the plus side though the changes to the income tax threshold for April 2013 will help, putting an average £110 a month extra into the pockets of everyone, and £110 means a lot more to low income families than middle or higher class earners.
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How did your maths work there?
( New PA - 2012/13 PA ) * tax rate
(£9,440 - £8,105) * 20% = £267 extra for the year.
Sure - I feel much better off thanks to the £1600 child benefit which we'll be losing next year.
Do you really think that if you are well off you need benefits
Cool, hadn't realised this
The poor are hardly the only ones being "shafted". Without beating a dead horse, everyone needs to take their hit to reduce the deficit. Why should benefits continue to rise when everyone else gets hit with it? At the end of the day, no one should be on benefits (job seekers) for more than a year. I refuse to accept the majority can't find a job in that time. Hell, I bet most could find one within 6 months.
No, I don't. I fully accept that the withdrawal of the one and only benefit which we receive is a reasonable step for the chancellor to take given the economic shambles which the previous Labour government left the country with.
What I object to are the continual accusations (from those lower-income families or individuals who are also seeing their benefits cut) that the 'rich' (by which they presumably mean everyone in the 40% tax bracket) are getting away scot free and are not doing their fair share.
That Micheal Gove has a strange face/look
![QUOTE]I queued with him at Heathrow the other day, and he seemed pretty normal up close!](http://i46.tinypic.com/1zbdp21.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]I queued with him at Heathrow the other day, and he seemed pretty normal up close!)
On a side note, the steps he's taking are reasonable and most are recommended by independent, knowledgeable economists. For example, the reduction in waste in the public sector to fund capital projects in the private sector such as science and infrastructure. The reduction in one public job generally leads to two in the private sector and they'll have more skills as they require training to perform non-admin roles such as building roads.
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Sure - I feel much better off thanks to the £1600 child benefit which we'll be losing next year.
If you cannot live a good lifestyle (and give your children a good upbringing) on £50,000+ a year without that extra £1600 (0.32%) then you're doing something wrong.
Quite frankly I find the comparison disgusting. Do you have to go hungry to feed your kids? Do you have to go without so you can clothe them for school? Didn't think so.
Whilst the benefit bill needs to be reduced it has become a scapegoat, people labelled as 'scroungers', for a lot of people. Not everybody has to go without to feed their children but it isn't easy for the majority trying to live on benefits and find work.
Had I been in power the limit for Child Benefit would have been lower than 50K and that would have been the combined household income. I know that some of the middle class aren't as well off as they used to be (Hell, I am one of them) but this incessant bleating is getting tiresome. I even had my GP have a whine about losing her child benefit. She earns more than a £100,000 and her children go to private school for ****s sake.
The privileged whining royally ****s me off.
The rich and middle class are vocal and keen voters. That's why we hear about their plight on TV. The poorest get screwed or labelled as 'workshy scum'
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