Av and Speakers help.

ok just one thing, I DO not like wood looking speakers, I just don't like them its my personal preference white speakers or I could have black as a second choice, i DO not want second hand speakers i know you all like it and go crazy for them but again I don't like them. I wouldn't be happy with second hand speakers. I now they are cheaper and great to start off with but just NO.

I'm going to get a AV Denton x3800 which will leave me with around £800 for speakers. wires and plugs I have set aside other funds for that.

I know you all like massive subs but my room is small and the bass wouldn't be up that loud, it will be for watching movies @ a low ish level.. my speakers I have now never went past 30-40%

please just help me find a speaker package or separate speakers that are decent, fit my preference and and work with the x3800

thank you
 
White speakers aren't as a common for a start not many have them. For movies white will stick out you don't want a bright white item as you're watching a movie.

Also it's not like buying second hand unserpants If speakers are well looked after there is nothing wrong with buying second hand speakers. Most of mine are second hand or ex demo. Not a single fault with any of them.

If I sold you a Lamborghini for 1/5 of its value and the only thing wrong with it is a couple of scratches, would you accept it?

You're looking at budget speakers around £1000. I've bought FLAGSHIP 5.0 speakers for that rival the wharfedale Elysium range in quality.

You'll get much better speakers for your money as speakers depreciates a lot.

I bought £1000 pair of speaker for £100

You need to go to hifi/AV shop. Don't mention colour.

Ask for couple of speakers that have total opposite sound character, bright, neutral and dark.

Whatever speaker you prefer sound of, buy. Even if it's painted in that black paint that doesn't reflect light
 
Oddney said:
ok just one thing, I DO not like wood looking speakers, I just don't like them its my personal preference white speakers or I could have black as a second choice, i DO not want second hand speakers i know you all like it and go crazy for them but again I don't like them. I wouldn't be happy with second hand speakers. I now they are cheaper and great to start off with but just NO.

I'm going to get a AV Denton x3800 which will leave me with around £800 for speakers. wires and plugs I have set aside other funds for that.

I know you all like massive subs but my room is small and the bass wouldn't be up that loud, it will be for watching movies @ a low ish level.. my speakers I have now never went past 30-40%

please just help me find a speaker package or separate speakers that are decent, fit my preference and and work with the x3800

thank you
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If you want white speakers then go for it. You're using them with a TV, not a projector, so you should have a little light on in the room - preferably behind the TV - to help your eyes cope with the brightness of the screen.

If you were spending five grand on speakers then you'd have a bigger choice in models with a white finish. That's because in the hierarchy of costs, cabinet finish is one of tge most expensive elements. Last time I looked, Wharfedale weren't making white Atmos speakers for the HDP system. I think that's an oversight on their part, but it doesn't change anything.

Get the white 5.1 package and worry about Atmos later. If you need to have a pair of Atmos speakers vinyl wrapped in white to match then that might be your option.
 
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Thank you everyone for the help.

i got my Denon X3800 today as well as my speaker package, i have set it all up and its sounding great only thing is it didnt come with the Sub cable im i right in thinking i only need the one cable for it.

thank you
 
hornetstinger said:
There's the wharfedale d3003d that will match brand
Definitely you'll want to go into wooden beam not into plaster
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i have them one bud, just trying to figger out how i mount them on the celling they come with wall mounts just not safe for celling. is there a bracket i need to use for cellling mounting please
 
I’m a little late but I would have suggested white Q Acoustics Concept 30 speakers (excellent speakers, you would have to spend over double to get anything noticeably better) with the Sonos Amp with a pair of white Sonos One SL’s as surrounds. That would be in budget and all these things are on offer at the moment from most stores. You might even be able to afford a sub or add one later if needed (assuming you don’t already have one). I‘ve used the Sonos amp and it’s great for movies and games as well as music.

(I know this isn’t exactly an AV system but it’s a good 4 channel system I’ve had experience with and the concept 30’s do a convincing phantom centre channel).
 
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DC2K said:
I’m a little late but I would have suggested white Q Acoustics Concept 30 speakers (excellent speakers, you would have to spend over double to get anything noticeably better) with the Sonos Amp with a pair of white Sonos One SL’s as surrounds. That would be in budget and all these things are on offer at the moment from most stores. You might even be able to afford a sub or add one later if needed (assuming you don’t already have one). I‘ve used the Sonos amp and it’s great for movies and games as well as music.

(I know this isn’t exactly an AV system but it’s a good 4 channel system I’ve had experience with and the concept 30’s do a convincing phantom centre channel).
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Sonos amp is stereo so adding rear speakers will be multi channel stereo. Using this is results in poor sound quality


Sonos is a bit crap with limitation of library so not good purchase. Rest of the gear is expensive and locked into Sonos eco system.

Concept 30 are fine speakers but if you want surround system use a AVR. Then add center, sub, surrounds
 
hornetstinger said:
Sonos amp is stereo so adding rear speakers will be multi channel stereo. Using this is results in poor sound quality


Sonos is a bit crap with limitation of library so not good purchase. Rest of the gear is expensive and locked into Sonos eco system.

Concept 30 are fine speakers but if you want surround system use a AVR. Then add center, sub, surrounds
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It will be Dolby surround.
 
hornetstinger said:
Explain how

Sonos amp is stereo amp. If you add Sonos wireless speakers it won't be processed Dolby/DTS surround sound.

You'll need a AVR.
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It can decode Dolby into 2 or 4 channels. The bluesound powernode (and the nad m10v2) also decodes Dolby into 4 channels only though but didn’t suggest them due to costs.
 
hornetstinger said:
Explain how

Sonos amp is stereo amp. If you add Sonos wireless speakers it won't be processed Dolby/DTS surround sound.

You'll need a AVR.
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@DC2K is correct. The newest version of the Sonos amp - the one with the HDMI ARC connection - will accept and decode Pro-Logic and DD. It can be configured as 2.0, 2.1, 4.0 or 4.1. It won't decode any DTS content at all, and obviously with no centre channel output then the front speakers have to do phantom centre instead.

Sonos has dropped off my RADAR a bit since their awful handling of gen 1 software support. I have focused more on other streaming multi-room products. AFAIK, the Sonos Amp needs either two of the One speakers to complete a 4.0 layout. I don't think it's possible to do 4.0 with 4 passive speakers from a single Amp, but someone else might correct me on this.

It is possible to combine two Amps each running a stereo passive pair and have that do 4.0 or 4.1 with a sub. It's an expensive way of doing things though (2× £700 just for the Amps) and the lack of more comprehensive audio decoding and no Atmos/DTS-X support sucks.
 
hornetstinger said:
Interesting idea but seems like proprietary system and doesn't sound like it has any benefits but many drawbacks.
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How have you drawn that conclusion?

Depending on which product one looks at, Sonos licences upto Dolby TrueHD + Dolby Atmos. The brand has licensed DD since the launch of its first sound bar.

Are you really suggesting that Sonos would advertise Dolby decoding tech, but in actual fact replace it with some in-house decoding? That's exactly what you are implying. Where's the benefit?

Why would Sonos - a big company - expose themselves to that sort of litigation risk? Can you explain that, please?

Nearly all* DD-capable -AVRs or -processors can be configured as 4.x layout, and so generate a phantom centre channel. How is that any different to the Sonos implementation? Care to explain?


* 'nearly all' - covering myself because you're bound to come up with some weird or odd-ball exception
 
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hornetstinger said:
Because you need another Sonos amp, and limited I/O. To get another sonos amp to run 4ch? LOL.
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Does it actually need another amp to run a pair of wireless Sonos speakers as rears? To me it looks as though that's only needed if you're wanting to drive passive speakers all round, which wasn't the suggestion from @DC2K and obviously isn't particularly sensible unless you're already heavily invested in the Sonos ecosystem
 
Kenai said:
Does it actually need another amp to run a pair of wireless Sonos speakers as rears? To me it looks as though that's only needed if you're wanting to drive passive speakers all round, which wasn't the suggestion from @DC2K and obviously isn't particularly sensible unless you're already heavily invested in the Sonos ecosystem
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But if you get sonos wireless speakers you're locking yourself into the Sonos system.

If wireless audio was universal, sure not a problem. ie if I could add Sonos wireless speakers to Yamaha Musicast AVR, or Denon HEOs AVR...but can you?

A AVR is the standard, and offers the most flexibility. Can use any brand passive speaker, and any brand active subwoofer. You can change one part without changing the others. And it won't be deactivated ;-)
 
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