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...but does it require another Sonos Amp to run Sonos wireless speakers as surround rears as you suggested it does? I can't see anything to suggest this is the case.

Whether the Sonos ecosystem is something worth investing in is a different topic of conversation.
 
hornetstinger said:
Because you need another Sonos amp, and limited I/O. To get another sonos amp to run 4ch? LOL.

One HDMI input isn't enough.

Just get a AVR.
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No, that's not the question I asked.

You said (and I quote) it was a 'proprietary system'. Setting aside that Sonos is a complete ecosystem, and we're all big boys and girls so we understand this, then what's left with the proprietary comment is how the decoding is done.

So what's your answer regarding the decoding? Or are you now backing away from that because you've been called to provide some support to your assertion?
 
Kenai said:
...but does it require another Sonos Amp to run Sonos wireless speakers as surround rears as you suggested it does? I can't see anything to suggest this is the case.

Whether the Sonos ecosystem is something worth investing in is a different topic of conversation.
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It's not. Even latest gen Sonos are limited to 65,000 tracks. Not good enough for expensive, latest gen audio streamers, streaming from local NAS storage etc.

The only good thing with Sonos player is it doesn't require a built in service like DNLA, LMS etc on the NAS. The app is pretty good though and snappy.

I dislike the propietary app control though, if support for your phone device ends you are bit stuck (either use PC or web control or keep old phone) also the thing with Sonos locking out S1 a while ago., and issues with Samba V1

Lucid said you can go 4.0 if you add a second Sonos amp (and someone else said you can use two wireless speakers) either way, it's a weird setup. And still based on locked in ecosystem, rather than a open one.

Just get a AVR (if going with multi channel) and stick with the standard.
 
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Kenai said:
Does it actually need another amp to run a pair of wireless Sonos speakers as rears? To me it looks as though that's only needed if you're wanting to drive passive speakers all round, which wasn't the suggestion from @DC2K and obviously isn't particularly sensible unless you're already heavily invested in the Sonos ecosystem
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You're correct. If the rear speakers are Sonos Ones then there's no need for a second Sonos Amp. It's only if someone wants to run matching brand front and rear speakers, say B&W, Wharfedale, Q Acoustics etc all round.

Mixing say Q Acoustics up front with a pair of Sonos Ones doing surround wouldn't meet "certain people's" expectations of a valid surround setup. Then again, they like to set the bar high when spending other people's money ;)
 
hornetstinger said:
Lucid said you can go 4.0 if you add a second Sonos amp
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No, I didn't. Your English comprehension is letting you down again. Please try to pay a bit more attention.

This is what I wrote:

lucid said:
@DC2K is correct. The newest version of the Sonos amp - the one with the HDMI ARC connection - will accept and decode Pro-Logic and DD. It can be configured as 2.0, 2.1, 4.0 or 4.1.
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And then went on in the same post:

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It is possible to combine two Amps each running a stereo passive pair and have that do 4.0 or 4.1 with a sub. It's an expensive way of doing things though (2× £700 just for the Amps) and the lack of more comprehensive audio decoding and no Atmos/DTS-X support sucks.
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Since you're someone so keen on having others quote things correctly, then perhaps you'd like to apply the same standard to yourself.
 
hornetstinger said:
It's not. Even latest gen Sonos are limited to 65,000 tracks. Not good enough for expensive, latest gen audio streamers, streaming from local NAS storage etc.

The only good thing with Sonos player is it doesn't require a built in service like DNLA, LMS etc on the NAS. The app is pretty good though and snappy.
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Regarding the song library limit, if someone is streaming, does that really matter? I would suggest not.

The reason that it's a closed ecosystem is so that Sonos could concentrate on making the the system easy to use and responsive. You know, stuff such as not requiring a special NAS, and the controller app being good and snappy. It's kind of obvious when you think about it; focus on making a good useable and intuitive system rather than trying to be all inclusive of some open standards that end up hobbling the product. I say 'obvious', but some folk still need it pointing out.
 
The app and system is snappy, I give it that. However the own library limit is a major drawback (I'm already over that) Yeah other systems can be fiddly. I've had a few issues with my Squeezebox but generally it works fine.

Why can't they have a system where other products can connect to them? For example if I bought Kef wireless active speakers, it can then connect to Sonos streamer?
 
hornetstinger said:
The app and system is snappy, I give it that. However the own library limit is a major drawback (I'm already over that)
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You're past the limit. But you're forgetting about a whole generation of users who never went through the rigmarole of ripping their entire CD library and merging that with iTunes etc. They jumped straight in with streaming, and maybe ripped a few CDs where they're not available online.


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Yeah other systems can be fiddly. I've had a few issues with my Squeezebox but generally it works fine.
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And just how long is it that Squeezebox has been discontinued? Is it about 10 years. What does that tell you?

hornetstinger said:
Why can't they have a system where other products can connect to them? For example if I bought Kef wireless active speakers, it can then connect to Sonos streamer?
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Because
  1. Sonos is a commercial product from a company that would like to stay in business. The idea of opening the door to any other wireless speaker manufacturer to take advantage of years and $$$$$$s of R&D investment just so some users can buy a competitors cheaper wireless speaker is a monumentally bad business idea
  2. Co-operating in the way that would allow the use of other manufacturer's wireless speakers would take up significant amounts of engineering time, not to mention the inevitable ensuing headaches when things don't go right and the buck gets passed back and forth as to whose fault it is. Look at HDMI CEC. It's a relatively simple system, and an open platform, but it still gets screwed up. That's another monumentally bad business idea
There is a list of compatible products. But you'll notice they're non-competing products and mostly about the integration between other control systems and Sonos.
https://www.pocket-lint.com/what-is-works-with-sonos-and-which-devices-are-compatible/

"Wouldn't it be good if..." scenarios are all well and good in theory, but its flipping hard to stay in business trying to please all the people all the time, especially when they have little or no concept of just how much effort it actually takes.
 
yeah not saving LMS is perfect, however it stilll works as is supported (Windows install, LMS 8) and freeware apps are still updated, with Materialskin/app. Also no HD audio. It's no longer supported in my NAS, so I have to use older DSM 6 and can't update to DSM7. I just think the open source system is a better one. Still can go down raspberry pi if I wanted to. It may have it's flaws but I do not like the closed in systems. Another example is the Logitech remote control, the software is online only also since now discontinued if they close servers you have a brick. There is no off line editor, off line IR code library system?
 
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Hi sorry for he late reply, i went with the Denon AVC-X3800H (Black) and Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1.2 Speaker Package, Black all setup, atmos on the celing. looking and sounding great.. white one would have been abit much tbh glad i went with the black in the end.

thank you all for the help.
 
Oddney said:
Hi sorry for he late reply, i went with the Denon AVC-X3800H (Black) and Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1.2 Speaker Package, Black all setup, atmos on the celing. looking and sounding great.. white one would have been abit much tbh glad i went with the black in the end.

thank you all for the help.
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Get a picture up :)
 
Oddney said:
Hi sorry for he late reply, i went with the Denon AVC-X3800H (Black) and Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1.2 Speaker Package, Black all setup, atmos on the celing. looking and sounding great.. white one would have been abit much tbh glad i went with the black in the end.

thank you all for the help.
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Be sure to run Denon avr setup with mic and check crossover settings
 
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