Avatar: The Way of the water (Dec 2022)

Watched this at the BFI IMAX today. Went into it not knowing really anything about it, critically or otherwise, save for my thoughts on the first film (which I find watchable, but a little basic).

In short I thought it was good - significantly better than the first film.

The first thing I noticed was the high frame rate - I haven’t yet verified whether it did have one, but I’m sure of it. It took my eyes some time to get used to and for the initial sections I felt like I way playing a PC game. My eyes settled though - unlike the Hobbit, probably because of the heavy CGI.

Most of my complaints of the first were pretty much resolved - that had a fairytale like narrative of overcoming an ultra herp derp ‘use brute force’ military adversary. This time around, the tone was slightly more desperate and darker… plus the ‘enemy’-side lead and their story was far more fleshed out.

The overall feel was ‘book-like’. It wasn’t in a rush to go anywhere. On one hand, I found this to be a strength: the acts of the film could breathe. I liked how it took a break from the main plot for a significant chunk of time to explore the ‘ways of the water world’ and the family moving there. I also really appreciated the attention to detail on, say, the whaling segment. On the other hand, book-like pacing can be testing and I could feel the run time by the end. Sure, it was all fantastic to watch, but did it need to be quite so long? As its strengths were found in its leisurely pace, perhaps a shorter run time wouldn’t have made it better. I suppose the most fat could have been trimmed in the very final moments. It would probably collapse on itself when watched at home.

With the benefit of the IMAX experience this was a 8.25/10 for me. The silly quarter point is because I’m torn between the long run time and how much I enjoyed some of the spectacular animal scenes.

I expect you could knock at least a point off for a home viewing.
 
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Looking back at some of the previous posts, the story seems to be the main gripe. If you approach this as being (at times) a more leisurely, ‘planet earth’ type experience that doesn’t require a perpetually driving narrative then I think you can partially overcome that.

Or rather, if you go in expecting a tenacious, perpetually evolving narrative, you’ll probably have a bad time.
 
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Now the 7th highest grossing film of all time, likely on course to go past No Way Home very shortly on it’s march to the top 5.

Cameron confirmed it’s been profitable enough to make 4 and 5 a got too (the $2b to break even thing is some silly internet thing). Whether or not they come out by the time I’m an OAP is another matter.
 
Its one of those where story as long as its not absolutely terrible (it was just "meh") people will go.

Just a visual feast and one that you can't really replicate at home easily.
If I couldn't see it at Imax I wouldn't have gone. Because it's all about sound/image.
And I've been to some terrible screens. Cold, bad stereo sound, scratchy pics where I'd be better at home.

It was as expected. Better than reviews lead me to believe though.

My main gripe is that the first one was all "image" and I hoped this second one would have more character development, dialogue and just more than the visual/sound. But it didn't. In fact very few words for a film this length and not much happened.

But will I see the next one? Probably! :D
 
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Finally got round to seeing this yesterday. Everything I thought has already been mentioned already.
  • Lovely too look at.
  • What was with the daughter they adopted from the scientist made by magic from her avatar pod thing in the first movie? Just glossed over in one line near the start and never mentioned again.
  • Could have been probably an hour shorter and still the same film by trimming half the stuff of them just swimming about doing nothing.
  • Not really sure why the humans were so determined to kill Sully after he fled the resistance people in the forest? Was it just personal?
  • Whale was probably the best character.
 
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Not really sure why the humans were so determined to kill Sully after he fled the resistance people in the forest? Was it just personal?

Because thats literally the entire plot of the film. Theres no other reason but a lazy way to rehash the same thing as the first film and create a rivalry that they can try and milk in the next few films. We even get to the end of the film and absolutely zero has changed from the start really.
 
It's the strangest thing - This film's box office has passed $1,750,000,000 worldwide yet there doesn't seem to be any "hype" amongst people to qualify for that huge amount of money.

The general consensus seems to be "Looks good, stories poor" which just doesn't explain in any way that huge box office number. I mean I know people who saw the 1st Avatar 3-5 times and the hype was unreal, so it's easy to see why that film made so much money, and this year there was lots of hype around Top Gun 2 to justify that films near $1,500,000,000 but nothing I've read about in critic reviews or customer reviews makes sense when looking at the box office.

Does anyone know of people who've been to see this film more than once?
 
It's the strangest thing - This film's box office has passed $1,750,000,000 worldwide yet there doesn't seem to be any "hype" amongst people to qualify for that huge amount of money.

The general consensus seems to be "Looks good, stories poor" which just doesn't explain in any way that huge box office number. I mean I know people who saw the 1st Avatar 3-5 times and the hype was unreal, so it's easy to see why that film made so much money, and this year there was lots of hype around Top Gun 2 to justify that films near $1,500,000,000 but nothing I've read about in critic reviews or customer reviews makes sense when looking at the box office.

Does anyone know of people who've been to see this film more than once?
i often wonder if the figures they quote are manipulated or just pure bs.
i remember back in the early 90's a Brian Adams song became the longest running uk number 1. yet everyone i knew was sick of hearing it weeks before it broke the record.
 
Avatar comes in 24 and 48 fps scenes and yeah the difference was really jarring.

The train crash, I think an archery type battle? And some of the final boat fight was 48 from memory.

Crazy how it made it just look like a pc cut scene lol
 
It's the strangest thing - This film's box office has passed $1,750,000,000 worldwide yet there doesn't seem to be any "hype" amongst people to qualify for that huge amount of money.

The general consensus seems to be "Looks good, stories poor" which just doesn't explain in any way that huge box office number. I mean I know people who saw the 1st Avatar 3-5 times and the hype was unreal, so it's easy to see why that film made so much money, and this year there was lots of hype around Top Gun 2 to justify that films near $1,500,000,000 but nothing I've read about in critic reviews or customer reviews makes sense when looking at the box office.

Does anyone know of people who've been to see this film more than once?
I don't know a single person who's gone yo see it. It must be huge in other countries as its only take 53m here.
 
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I don't know a single person who's gone yo see it. It must be huge in other countries as its only take 53m here.
When I've looked at my local cinema to see when I can go (still not been yet) all of the premium format showings (Dolby and IMAX) have been pretty much fully booked with one or two seats available. Maybe they're taking the money from higher ticket prices rather than volume?
 
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Only? Isn't that a huge take for the UK box office? In fact, it's £57m in 2022 puts it second on the list and it still seems to be going strong in 2023.
Suppose it depends if it carries on going strong. In perspective the force awakens took a final total of 130.. So if it calms down its not been particular successful here imo. Time will tell, I thought it had been out for weeks now so it would be past peak viewing.
 
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Finally got around to watching this, we were the only 2 people in the screen, rare that happens especially on a Saturday morning even with films that have been out a while. I don't mind long films when they don't feel like it but this was getting to that when's it going to end stage for me felt like parts could have been cut or trimmed down.
 
Finally been to see it, bit of a crime really as I worked on the game for several years, but I've just not had the time!

I thought it was great, reminded me how good Cameron is at the big screen. An amazing spectacle, with some depth to the characters that was missing from the first film. Really good set pieces, the visuals make you realise how poor a lot of CGI is these days in comparison.

9/10 movie for me. Not gonna win Best Picture or anything, but just a really good bit of cinematic entertainment. Didn't notice the length at all, I really liked the middle section with all the aquatic beasties.
 
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