Bad time to buy a high-end CPU?

KungFuSpaghetti · 23 Oct 2019 at 21:49

4K8KW10 said:
Ryzen 3000 lineup is not aggressive enough. It just offers one SKU that is equal to i9-9900K and one 12-core SKU that is considerably more expensive than the threshold which would cause at least some consideration in the big players.
AdoredTV leaked a beautiful potential Ryzen 3000 lineup back in December which could have led to complete havoc at intel's HQ...
But no...

His 'leaks' ended up looking pretty far off the reality, maybe those speeds will be more attainable for ryzen 4k... but if IPC is up double digits then it won't matter anyway. I just hope there is a hardware level scheduler but I won't be upgrading either way, 3900x is currently way faster than my actual needs and use case.

4K8KW10 · 23 Oct 2019 at 21:55

KungFuSpaghetti said:
3900x is currently way faster than my actual needs and use case.

This is called future proofing. You always seek to buy something better than what your current uses are. You invest for the future 8-10 years.

sideways14a · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:14

4K8KW10 said:
Ryzen 3000 lineup is not aggressive enough. It just offers one SKU that is equal to i9-9900K and one 12-core SKU that is considerably more expensive than the threshold which would cause at least some consideration in the big players.
AdoredTV leaked a beautiful potential Ryzen 3000 lineup back in December which could have led to complete havoc at intel's HQ...
But no...

What did you expect them to do? make a 10Ghz 1024 core cpu for 100 quid?

As for not aggressive enough, well thats utter crap.

AMD have taken big chunks out of intels desktop lineup, destroyed intels HEDT line up and as for the server space - well Epyc is obliterating intels stuff.

4K8KW10 · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:18

sideways14a said:
What did you expect them to do? make a 10Ghz 1024 core cpu for 100 quid?

As for not aggressive enough, well thats utter crap.

AMD have taken big chunks out of intels desktop lineup, destroyed intels HEDT line up and as for the server space - well Epyc is obliterating intels stuff.

Err, we are talking Ryzen desktop, where do you go?
Do you know how much does intel charge for an i9-9900 sold to their good partners at Dell, for example?

Are you sure that Ryzen 7 3700X gives anything better than ^^^^ offer?

sideways14a · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:21

I am talking about the the whole cpu arena, desktop, server ect.
I could care less about kids wanting 300fps in a game, its a tiny part of the computer industry and quite honestly not a lot of interest to me.

As for how much intel charges dell for a cpu, no wouldn't we all like to know that. Really we would

Minstadave · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:22

4K8KW10 said:
Err, we are talking Ryzen desktop, where do you go?
Do you know how much does intel charge for an i9-9900 sold to their good partners at Dell, for example?

Are you sure that Ryzen 7 3700X gives anything better than ^^^^ offer?

Razer thin margins with Dell probably arent what AMD are after. If they're selling all they can make, at decent profits they're sitting pretty arent they?

sideways14a · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:29

I doubt that dell are running on tight margins... er not at the moment anyhow.
Not with intel giving free money away.

Minstadave · 23 Oct 2019 at 22:42

sideways14a said:
I doubt that dell are running on tight margins... er not at the moment anyhow.
Not with intel giving free money away.

AMD selling to Dell will be at tight margins due to Intel subsiding their own CPUs. Suspect its just not worth it for AMD if there's more profit elsewhere.

Perfect_Chaos · 23 Oct 2019 at 23:45

I might switch to a 4000 chip next year if it gets a decent boost. There's also rumours of Intel coming in with Golden Cove in 2021 with a big jump in performance.. that one might be tough to ignore if it really comes. Guess we'll find out next year maybe.

Grim5 · 24 Oct 2019 at 03:07

4K8KW10 said:
This is called future proofing. You always seek to buy something better than what your current uses are. You invest for the future 8-10 years.

I don't know many people who keep a CPU for 10 years, I feel incredibly sorry for anyone who does.

I also like the idea of future proofing, but it's more about immediate e-penis rep gains since I already know I'll upgrade again in 3 years

4K8KW10 · 24 Oct 2019 at 07:18

Grim5 said:
I don't know many people who keep a CPU for 10 years, I feel incredibly sorry for anyone who does.

I also like the idea of future proofing, but it's more about immediate e-penis rep gains since I already know I'll upgrade again in 3 years

I have an up and running Athlon 64 from year 2006, that is 13 years, with Windows 7, it does its job for Office, movies and internet.

Minstadave said:
Razer thin margins with Dell probably arent what AMD are after. If they're selling all they can make, at decent profits they're sitting pretty arent they?

It's better for AMD to have "razer thin" margins than no margins at all because their lineup is ignored

DragonQ · 24 Oct 2019 at 10:42

Dave2150 said:
Except I am right - Dell's AMD offerings are frankly pathetic.

Dell UK's AMD offerings are pathetic. Last time I checked they had zero EPYC 2 servers. The US site has quite a few though.

jigger · 24 Oct 2019 at 12:00

Dave2150 said:
Except I am right - Dell's AMD offerings are frankly pathetic. Try and find a Dell business product offering a Ryzen 3000 CPU, GLHF with that. Ryzen 3000 CPU's are awesome, and they should be offerered across Dell's lineup. Why do you think they aren't?

Wake up and smell the roses, Intel can't be touched as AMD aren't allowed to compete where the real money is.

No buddy you are wrong. AMD are miles ahead of Intel to the point it’s become foolish to buy Intel.

jigger · 24 Oct 2019 at 12:02

DragonQ said:
Dell UK's AMD offerings are pathetic. Last time I checked they had zero EPYC 2 servers. The US site has quite a few though.

Something Dell will need to address if they want to stay competitive in the market.

Phil2008 · 27 Oct 2019 at 22:58

4K8KW10 said:
i7 9700 with disabled HT is not the top i7.
i7-8700 had 12 threads, that^^^ only has 8 threads. It is a downgrade.
The 14nm production is old and extremely mature by now. Hence it must be cheap.

But 6 of the 8700 cpu's threads are not real?

IT Troll · 27 Oct 2019 at 23:34

Phil2008 said:
But 6 of the 8700 cpu's threads are not real?

Unfortunately some people think logical threads are equal to physical cores and so a higher number appears better.

DragonQ · 28 Oct 2019 at 07:38

8c/8t will edge out 6c/12t in most multithreaded scenarios, but for servers the latter might be better if you simply need more threads to spread around.

4K8KW10 · 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55

DragonQ said:
8c/8t will edge out 6c/12t in most multithreaded scenarios, but for servers the latter might be better if you simply need more threads to spread around.

For Windows, it's better to work with more threads, even if logical, not fully 100% the resources of a physical core.

When several applications compete for CPU time, in which case one or more of them may "stop responding". This usually happens, for example, when the updates are installing, and meanwhile another application wants to start.
They can't be executed concurrently.

I do observe it very often.

IT Troll · 28 Oct 2019 at 15:59

Intel proved that even without HyperThreading (HTT), 8 cores make for a faster processor than the i7-8700K (6-core/12-thread).

http://techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-9700k/

Of the many varied tests they ran, 6/12 only beats 8/8 on a couple of occasions; Prime and Tensorflow (and then only by a very narrow margin). Hyperthreading isn't magic.

4K8KW10 · 28 Oct 2019 at 16:17

IT Troll said:
http://techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-9700k/

Of the many varied tests they ran, 6/12 only beats 8/8 on a couple of occasions; Prime and Tensorflow (and then only by a very narrow margin). Hyperthreading isn't magic.

No performance difference between 6/12 and 8/8 here, compared against a Ryzen 9 3900X:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/22.html