Bahrain GP Cancelled

firstly I don't care how hard and for how long F1 engineers work for, that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not to hold a GP.

Secondly the track and event as a whole is rubbish, so is the country. The thing is just a toy for the ruling elite nothing else.

Thirdly at least it makes the F1 season last a bit longer and there won't be such a long break.

Finally the Bahrain GP is to money as the Iraq war was to oil.
 
If you work in F1, there is a good chance that you are doing it out of choice and you have probably targeted that profession. Its a lot easier to work long hours, if you enjoy what you do.

It is very unlikely that somebody grows up, wanting to work at McDonalds, but merely falls into that job, as they need the cash and it is probably the only job they could get.

As an example, I work long hours, while I program. There are times where I have not slept for over 36 hours as I was programming all night long. Does it bother me...not too much. However, if I were to work at McDonalds and did a 30 hour shift, say, you can bet it would bother me a whole lot.

I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that the hourly rate of a typical F1 worker is less than that of a McDonalds employee and until someone tells me otherwise, I won't change my opinion that a typical McDonalds worker works far harder/longer to earn a given amount, than a typical F1 employee.

Nuts works in F1 and the guy certainly comes across as wealthier than a typical McDonalds worker.
 
Slam62 said:
firstly I don't care how hard and for how long F1 engineers work for, that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not to hold a GP.

Secondly the track and event as a whole is rubbish, so is the country. The thing is just a toy for the ruling elite nothing else.

Thirdly at least it makes the F1 season last a bit longer and there won't be such a long break.

Finally the Bahrain GP is to money as the Iraq war was to oil.
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LOL. I couldn't have put it better myself.
 
clv101 said:
Urm... money?
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Covered perhaps by my comment about issues in Bahrain. The Bahrain F1 organisers want the GP there for the money. What I'm on about is the FIA/WMSC totally screwing up a calendar, making it longer and longer. Are we going to lose the end of season break in a few years time and have GP 12 months of the year?

sunama said:
Awww. It sounds to me like you are really feeling sorry for the people who work in F1, with their decent/high wages. The people who work in McDonalds for minimum wage, work far harder and to make up the pennies, probably work longer hours, in a job which they hate with a passion. If you are going to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for those who have no choice but to work in minimum wage jobs with few opportunities.
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Not really. I don't think the vast majority in F1 earn anything like the money we think they do. It's the big name designers and team bosses that get the biggest cash. I think F1 people work more hours than McDonald's staff. Not sure how many of McDonald's staff have to go on long-haul flights all over the world and work at over 18 McDonald restaurants a year. :p

sunama said:
With regards to the season lasting too long into the year...this suits me and many F1 fans fine. Hopefully it reduces the off season. By having so many races, F1 is able to make more money and possibly charge sponsors a higher fee (as the sponsor adverts will be shown in more venues). I can see there being even more races if Bernie gets his way.
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I think Bernie has said 20 GP is the maximum he thinks there can be in a season. We aren't far off that but the scheduling is getting silly. We need more back to back GP with better scheduling so that France/Germany/Spain etc are back to back rather than attempt back to back GP all over the place.
 
I heard off a semi-reliable source that the Red Bull crew got a £10,000 bonus for winning the constructors title.

Wouldn't like to guess their wages, but a friend of mine went for a job at Force India and the money was >25k+, which is good if you're coming straight from university. Certainly better than flipping burgers.
 
EVH said:
... a friend of mine went for a job at Force India and the money was >25k+, which is good if you're coming straight from university. Certainly better than flipping burgers.
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If you want to earn the same money at McDonalds, you would probably have to work somewhere around 75-80 hours/week to match that salary. And forget about bonuses. I'd imagine more experienced members of staff (not straight out of uni), would earn a higher wage.

To say that an F1 worker has to work harder for his money than a McDonalds worker is ludicrous.
 
sunama said:
To say that an F1 worker has to work harder for his money than a McDonalds worker is ludicrous.
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To use someone that works in McDonalds as a benchmark for hardwork is absolutely ludicrous, flipping burgers, taking orders and emptying bins takes all your mental and physical effort these days does it ?

Then to compare that to someone that pretty much gives up there life to work for an F1 team, utterly bonkers.

Shame its back on, FIA should have shown some its sometimes about more than just money. Plus GP's in December just seems weird.
 
neil473 said:
To use someone that works in McDonalds as a benchmark for hardwork is absolutely ludicrous, flipping burgers, taking orders and emptying bins takes all your mental and physical effort these days does it ?
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So you are saying that someone who works 80 hours a week, say, in an unskilled job, can never work as hard as someone who works a skilled job?

I think you should perhaps try staying on your feet (no sitting down), in a job, doing 80 hours a week. Once you've done this, you will be in a position to comment on what it takes to work those long, unskilled, hours.

The toughest work I have ever done was work in a supermarket (unskilled). And this is coming from someone who does a desk job now, sometimes working 70 hours/week.

The desk job requires more brain power, but for sheer hard work, the unskilled supermarket was the toughest I've done. I imagine that unskilled construction work is even tougher...though I've never done that, so can't be certain.
 
neil473 said:
Shame its back on, FIA should have shown some its sometimes about more than just money. Plus GP's in December just seems weird.
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F1 is probably the most money-oriented sport on the face of the planet. Without money (like most sports), F1 would die.

The financial cash injection which F1 gets from the Middle East is of paramount importance. F1 can drop Spa, Silverstone, Australia, etc, but at the current, could never drop a Middle Eastern GP.

I knew from day 1 that the FIA would never allow any Middle Eastern GP to get dropped. even if they would have to have the GP in mid-December, they would've shoe-horned this into the calender.
 
Going to play devils advocate here..

I suspect (and hope) the Bahrain gp won't be as boring because usually the first race of the season the teams are being conservative and trying to pin down reliability. Now that they won't have that excuse, and if the championship isn't sewn up then, it could be a bit more exciting.

Yes, the track is poor but it could be a surprise.
 
Well, we have Pirelli tyres; allied with DRS - Bahrain may not be a procession.
At least its another race on the calender, which is never a bad thing.
 
People are missing the point here.

However good or bad the track is itself is irrelevant.

The teams, drivers, sponsors and fans don't want to hold a race in Bahrain in such circumstances. People's safety will be at stake and reflects the sport very poorly, the only people that want to race there are the FIA and the circuit owners. There are guaranteed to be employees from the teams, press, media that simply will refuse to go.
 
Mark Webber's thoughts:

Mark Webber said:
“My opinion is unchanged since I was first asked about this in late February. Even though a decision has been made, I’ll be highly surprised if the Bahrain Grand Prix goes ahead this year.

“In my personal opinion, the sport should have taken a much firmer stance earlier this year rather than constantly delaying its decision in hope of being able to re-schedule it in 2011. It would have sent a very clear message about F1’s position on something as fundamental as human rights and how it deals with moral issues. It’s obvious that the parties involved have struggled to reach a decision but sadly I feel that they still haven’t made the right one. Like it or not, F1 and sport in general isn’t above having a social responsibility and conscience. I hope F1 is able to return to Bahrain eventually but now isn’t the right time.

“As a competitor I do not feel at all comfortable going there to compete in an event when, despite reassurances to the contrary, it seems inevitable that it will cause more tension for the people of that country. I don’t understand why my sport wishes to place itself in a position to be a catalyst for that.”
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http://www.markwebber.com/on-the-track-news/2011-season/2011-bahrain-grand-prix/

Got to say I completely agree.
 
Wow. So although the FIA and Bahrain have tied up the deal, Webber still believes that it won't go ahead.

I guess we shall all have to wait and see.
 
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