Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20

Well if it were the other way around, Hamilton would have had a drive through. Shockingly poor...nico was plain dangerous today.

Can only imagine how well alonso would have done had he stayed at mclaren...considering what he does with that Ferrari at the moment.
 
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Rosberg did nothing wrong with Alonso. He can cover that section of the track if he chooses. He didn't cut Alonsos nose off because alonso wasn't even alongside. He moved to block as is his right.

The hamilton one is a completely different issue. The two are not the same to me.
 
I'm so glad someone has spoken out about the tire issue especially that it was Schumacher who's opinion holds a lot of weight.

You watch the first laps before the pitstop and they don't even try to overtake once the first few corners are done. It's just turned into who can go quickest without wearing out the tires too quickly, rather than just who can go the quickest.
 
turns 1-2-3 are a joke with these tyres i remember when people would throw the car into them and now days they make it look like an outlap
 
desires said:
I'm so glad someone has spoken out about the tire issue especially that it was Schumacher who's opinion holds a lot of weight.

You watch the first laps before the pitstop and they don't even try to overtake once the first few corners are done. It's just turned into who can go quickest without wearing out the tires too quickly, rather than just who can go the quickest.
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I'll be honest, I don't particularly like the idea of holding back to look after your tyres and I don't like how the marbles restrict overtaking. But I do like the end result which has been very close racing and interesting strategy.

What we used to have were Bridgestones that lasted the whole race and is the reason why we have the rule for using 2 different compounds, it forced everyone to at least make 1 pit stop. During this time the racing wasn't as entertaining as it is now.

Pirelli can make either tyre, that's not the problem.

What would you suggest?
 
Alonso ain't happy at all
The Ferrari driver also took to Twitter after the ruling was announced, sarcastically suggesting that the judgement gave the green light for drivers to disregard the rule book from now on.

"I think you are going to have fun in future races!" Alonso wrote. "You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy!"
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just watching the highlights on sky f1 channel. just saw the hamilton rosberg accident again. were hamilton is off the road there is a wall that comes out with a recovery truck behind it. he was very close to hitting it.
 
Shimmy said:
What we used to have were Bridgestones that lasted the whole race and is the reason why we have the rule for using 2 different compounds, it forced everyone to at least make 1 pit stop. During this time the racing wasn't as entertaining as it is now.
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Iirc they had to pitstop anyway. They had to use both tyres as they where only using one compound and so at end of season had a massive stockpile of unused tyres.

It's a stupid rule for this era as is DSR and both need throwing out ASAP
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Regardless he should have been given a penalty for at least one of the moves. So much for the FIA clamping down on dangerous driving.
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Reading the ruling on the move I'm now not so sure of my initial thoughts. If Rosberg made the move to the right before Hamilton even moved then is it really Rosbergs fault if he puts his car in a closing gap?

I guess they have more data to look at to get to this decision.

desires said:
I'm so glad someone has spoken out about the tire issue especially that it was Schumacher who's opinion holds a lot of weight.

You watch the first laps before the pitstop and they don't even try to overtake once the first few corners are done. It's just turned into who can go quickest without wearing out the tires too quickly, rather than just who can go the quickest.
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I agree, even at the last race when their was a train of cars at the start, no one wanted to have a go and destroy the tyres. The loss from heating the tyres up through 2 laps hard racing is not worth the gain.

Even Brundle seemed to be changing his feelings on these tyres, it's a lottery of whose car works on a certain weekend rather than who can be quickest. I would honestly rather be in a bridgestone scenario where they went for it hammer and tongs lap after lap.
 
Shimmy said:
I'll be honest, I don't particularly like the idea of holding back to look after your tyres and I don't like how the marbles restrict overtaking. But I do like the end result which has been very close racing and interesting strategy.

What we used to have were Bridgestones that lasted the whole race and is the reason why we have the rule for using 2 different compounds, it forced everyone to at least make 1 pit stop. During this time the racing wasn't as entertaining as it is now.

Pirelli can make either tyre, that's not the problem.

What would you suggest?
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Refueling with tires that don't need to be changed, or if they do need to be changed can just be timed with the fuel so that the drivers can push as hard as possible all the time.

The only reason we are getting close racing is because these tires manufacture it but a driver can only really overtake 1 or 2 cars and then his tires are ruined due the extra strain of overtaking and then they'll be stuck in that position.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Glad schumi has said what I have said before. Managing tyres the whole time is NOT racing.

Alonso's twitter response is ace :)
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That's this era, it's not on my big complaints list. Bigger issues to solve first.
Can say exactly the same about fuel managing.


desires said:
The only reason we are getting close racing is because these tires manufacture it but a driver can only really overtake 1 or 2 cars and then his tires are ruined due the extra strain of overtaking and then they'll be stuck in that position.
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I dont agree at all. Close racing is down to two big things
1)static rules for 4 years and so things have been perfected allowing teams to bunch up.
2) ban of DD, OTBD and other aero allowing extremely close following. It's gone from almost two second gap, it's now down to 0.3-0.4 seconds.
 
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Glaucus said:
That's this era, it's not on my big complaints list. Bigger issues to solve first.
Can say exactly the same about fuel managing.
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It isn't? As dannyjo22 said above, this year is seems the team on top is completely determined by the conditions on race day...of which it seems to be pretty random. I don't like that at all. I know this is the "era" and a lot happens during a race, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
Glaucus said:
2) ban of DD, OTBD and other aero allowing extremely close following. It's gone from almost two second gap, it's now down to 0.3-0.4 seconds.
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They can get closer but the tyres then just come apart. The aero is fixed, I agree they should try now without the DRS but it's no use trying for 2 or more laps to set up a move when the tyres are dead unless you get passed as soon as you close the gap.
 
I'm not convinced this is due to tyres.

RBR are on top as they have new exhaust sealing diffuser , which found them a bunch of time.
Arguably the fastest team has throwen it away.
Merc has great qauli pace but seems hard to setup.
So I'm not seeing the tyre link to why it's so random this season. Combine those factors with static rules and the field so close to each other and this isn't unexpected. Wait till 2014, massive rule change and feild will be spread out again.

What doesn't sit right with me is one third of overtakes are directly due to DRS and a bunch of the others DRS must be the set up.
 
desires said:
Refueling with tires that don't need to be changed, or if they do need to be changed can just be timed with the fuel so that the drivers can push as hard as possible all the time.
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Refuelling eh? I think you might have forgotten why so many people disliked it.

Every qualifying session was spent guessing how much fuel everyone had and who really had the fastest lap. Following the races was more difficult also as everyone spent ages calculating how much fuel was put in and when they would pit, this made comparing drivers quite hard. Then there's the refuelling rigs which were notoriously unreliable to use.

All that without mentioning the safety aspect.
 
Shimmy said:
Refuelling eh? I think you might have forgotten why so many people disliked it.

Every qualifying session was spent guessing how much fuel everyone had and who really had the fastest lap. Following the races was more difficult also as everyone spent ages calculating how much fuel was put in and when they would pit, this made comparing drivers quite hard. Then there's the refuelling rigs which were notoriously unreliable to use.

All that without mentioning the safety aspect.
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Alright, scrap that then, bring back tire competition. A big point of F1 is that a lot of technology transfers to road cars, why don't tire manufacturers try to make the best stickiest tire, we can then get them on road cars to stop as many crashes.
 
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