Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20

desires said:
Alright, scrap that then, bring back tire competition. A big point of F1 is that a lot of technology transfers to road cars, why don't tire manufacturers try to make the best stickiest tire, we can then get them on road cars to stop as many crashes.
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Tyres wot relate to road ever.
Also pointless when we have this both compound rule. That needs to be ditched first as well as top 10 start on qauli tyre. Then we can have some proper strategy back. If that happens then they would need to actukkay sort out tyre compounds. Oh and I loved the reviling era. Driver, tech and strategy. One of those has been dumbed down to almost non existence.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Getting 2 tyre manufacturers back in would be interesting even with the current artificial constraints...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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It did lead to Ferrari's dominance with MS though, as Bridgestone worked so closely to them.

I suppose that would be less of an issue now with the lack of testing.

Still you would have issues with 1 set of tyres lasting the whole race and teams complaining that they don't have the optimum tyre manufacture.

I'd rather one supplier and have the performance difference come from the cars and drivers.
 
I just saw the "He's still working in television aparantly" from DC about Brundle - 1st thing that made me laugh all day

terrible race, but I guess it could be worse

anyway only 10 points between 1st and 4th in WDC isnt so bad, 4 different winning teams but maybe now its a little too random on race day

Really hope JB / McLaren can bounce back with a win at Barcelona in 3 weeks time
 
Cant wait until all this F1 technology filters into normal car production - getting into work on time, if at all, will depend on the weather :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
just watched the highlights [damn you bbc]

YES YES YES lotus renault 2 and 3, i do admit i wanted to see a 1-2 but maybe thats just being greedy!

But finally the team i have been following for ages has made a good car! first time since alonso was world champion! Wish i could have seen it live!
 
I dont like the tyre rules. Just let them fit the thing that will get them round the track quickest.

You wouldnt ask football players to play football in wellington boots would you.
 
I think whilst having medium tyres which allow 1/2 stop strategies, as soon as you introduce softer tyres which perform say 2+ seconds better, then everyone will move to that and we'll get the same complaints?

I would have thought the only way you could avoid this is actually by limiting the choice of better performing (time) tyres, which kind of defeats the argument of having what performs best.
 
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gary996 said:
Why is it that only (nearly) Mclaren have problems with pitstops. Redbull and Ferrari never have any issues
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Except when they do ;) It is becoming a joke how poor Mclaren have been this year though, tactically and error prone ness.

Either way, when Hamilton is in the lead and should get the advantage on when he comes in, to undercut...... Button comes in first, when Button is ahead and needs the undercut, Button comes in first. Whoever chooses when to do Hamiltons pits, or advises him, is god awful, as are the guys doing the pitstop though, it would seem to be a bad wheel nut(without reading anything post race) which wasn't surprisingly difficult to then take off at the next pit stop.

I don't suppose Button's problem last week was the same, wheel nut and Mclaren just have a bad system of gun + wheel nut?


Anyway, decisions today a joke and not sure why ALonso is complaining all that much because he got more points than he should have also. How on freaking earth was Alonso not given a drive through during the race? had, perez/Kobe from recollection not slowed massively to not hit Alonso you could have had a massive smash with a pit crew and guys on the wall in the firing line. There is literally no question in the slightest that Alonso almost caused a massive massive dangerous problem with the release(I should say Ferrari pit crew) and that whoever spotted and slowed to miss him did insanely well.

But, Alonso HAD to get a penalty, what is there to stop him doing it again and both gaining an advantage and putting lives at risk if no one tells him what happened was wrong?

Rossberg, just laughable, dangerous driving completely off the racing line twice, the cynic in me(and seemingly everyone else) thinks Hamilton would have been punished for that both during the race, and severely.


As for the season, I have no idea why anyone wants to call it "close" racing.

If they are 0.4 seconds apart, of 40seconds apart, no one is overtaking anyway, being close physically is almost irrelevant, most people today were no closer to overtaking the guy 0.4 seconds in front than the guy 40 seconds in front.

No reason to overtake as you'll hurt tyres, very little ability to go on the "other" compound and really gain time, very little "driving". I think driver ability is making so little difference out there, everyone is driving WELL within the limits as they are driving to the tyre limits, and its random how the tyres will work. I also think that the tyres themselves seem a touch too random in getting a good or bad set. We're at the point where its down to who can predict the weather the best...... not racing, oh well.
 
I'm also not a fan of this artificial tyre-nursing era of F1. Or at the very least the tyres should allow drivers to get 15 or so balls to wall laps out of them without drivers having to worry about major performance issues. The current tyres are barely able to manage 5-10 laps without "falling off the cliff", and that's presumably with them already managing tyre wear.

I don't necessarily want to see a single set of tyres being able to last the entire race distance, but they should definitely allow a driver to drive to 100% of their car's capabilities without degrading too badly.
 
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trickycurve said:
I'm also not a fan of this artificial tyre-nursing era of F1. Or at the very least the tyres should allow drivers to get 15 or so laps out of them without drivers having to worry about major performance issues. The current tyres are barely able to manage 5-10 laps without "falling off the cliff", and that's presumably with them already managing tyre wear.
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They can easily last that. You gave to remember two things. They are used in qualifying, the first stint they're carrying a massive amount of fuel. Latter in the race they last longer.
 
Like I said, though: they may currently be able to last 10-15 laps, but that is presumably with the drivers already managing their tyres (people have mentioned in this thread already that drivers don't even bother attempting an overtake for fear of ruining their tyres early on). I honestly don't think a driver in this Pirelli era of F1 would be able to drive at 100% of their car's capabilities for very long, while at the same time giving them the confidence to perform audacious overtakes at the beginning of races. If the drivers could go balls out for 15 laps, lap after lap, while being able to maintain consistent lap times, we would have true 'racing' on our hands, especially as the aero rules have tightened up (something I know you are a fan of).
 
Wern't the tyres brought in to liven things up and give us more over taking? Just like drs they are a indirect solution to a problem that existed with the aero stopping a following driver getting close, I thought that problem was now much less of a problem? So why on earth do we have these **** tyres and the joke that is drs still? I suppose you then have the problem of nico trying to run anyone off the road who doesn't over take with drs.. I'm enjoying the close racing but it's all just too random and everyone is pointing at the knife edge that is the current sweet spot on this rubber.
 
Love the way that scottish female interviewing Raikkonen says "Well Kimi, your first podium since 2009, that must put a smile on your face!"

Kimi, no smile and basically replies with "pfft.." Such a miserable git :D

Anyway, I know Vettel is only 4 points ahead of Hamilton, but is this the beginning of the end for McLaren and groundhog day for Redbull again, pulling away and winning a hat trick WDC?

Also, Renault engines are in all 3 podium cars. It does speak volumes for how good their engines are. It also makes you wonder then why Renault as a team haven't been winning the championships for the last few years. But I suppose that's down to more than just the engine.
 
Merlin5 said:
Also, Renault engines are in all 3 podium cars. It does speak volumes for how good their engines are. It also makes you wonder then why Renault as a team haven't been winning the championships for the last few years. But I suppose that's down to more than just the engine.
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Also tells you how rubbish Williams are in reality, despite all this talk of how they're 'coming back'.
 
Glaucus said:
They can easily last that. You gave to remember two things. They are used in qualifying, the first stint they're carrying a massive amount of fuel. Latter in the race they last longer.
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You're saying something completely different, LASTING 15 laps while the tyres are being nursed isn't remotely same as tyres that can last for the same or even a couple less laps at full car pace.

You can go around at say, 1:42 a lap, for 20 laps, but the car is capable of 1:38, however if you do 1:38 laps you won't even get 10 laps out of them before they become useless. It's not that you can go 1;38 for for 5 laps then they just slow down to 1:42's anyway, you'd do 5 laps at 1:38, 5 at 1:42, and another 5 at 1:48 while risking going off the track at every corner, and going in for new tyres would ruin your race anyway.

I think kimi is the first person all season to go out on a soft tyre and gain on hard tyre guys, but he gained on the hard tyre also, he just had genuine pace. Both Mclarens went out on softs in the second stint last week, everyone else(just about) was on hards, and they were exactly no faster at all. If you save a set of softs, and use them in the race, you gain no speed because while over 1 second faster a lap the tyres at that speed, go off in only a few laps, so you end up doing the exact same pace as the hard tyre, making it worthless.

Everyone up and down the grid is going the pace their tyres allow, not the pace their car nor their driving skill allows, and that means we don't see the car pace, nor the drivers pace, but that set of tyres particular pace, that isn't racing, that is comparing sets of rubber, almost as interesting as paint drying.

I think part of the reason Hamilton didn't get ahead of Alonso at the end was, tyres and saving them, but the other part was very likely his team saying Alonso is going to get a ridiculously obvious penalty, and Rossberg too, so you're actually in a good position so just save the tyres and make sure you last to the end of the race, as everyone went in a couple laps early.

But that should tell you something, everyone went in a couple laps early because when the first guy goes in, the undercut can gain you several seconds, and the extra two laps doesn't matter because 20 laps later one guy has two lap older tyres....... and they are both slow as hell at that point. Everyone went in early because the tyres were starting to go, and almost everyone had just spent a stint saving tyres rather than gaining positions, then they all went in early, and all had to save tyres again rather than gain positions.

We've got both, tyres ruling everyones race pace, not the car, not the ability and to cap it off one proper lock of your tyres, one single corners mistake in 20 laps and hundreds of corners and you can kill any chance of catching the guy in front. Again, its not racing, its akin to watching football and not seeing who is the best team on the day, who plays the best football, its who has the best boots on.
 
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