Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20

Why is it that only (nearly) Mclaren have problems with pitstops. Redbull and Ferrari never have any issues

Annoying, but Mclaren definitely need to work on their pitstops. I was gutted at Silverstone last year when Jenson's wheel nut didn't go on properly. Certainly took the shine off the race and was even more hard felt when you're attending the GP in person...

Something so small as a wheel nut, which you don't spend time thinking about in the lead up to the race can affect the race so badly.

Mclaren must up their game and get the pit stops sorted, and iron out any of these little discrepancies... I think it was during the 2010 season in Monaco that Jenson's car had something left in one of the radiators which resulted in a DNF.

Red Bull strike me as the type of team that just don't make these kinds of mistakes.

MW said after the race today that they have the system Merc have though, but that they weren't using it as it can be even costlier if something goes wrong (Schumi last weekend) ... did I get that right or did he say they were in the developmental stage of getting it?
 
Well I'm glad I missed that! (just watched it on fast forward)

Damn you Vettel :( (I've turned it off before he gets out the car, cos I can imagine what happened)

If I've turned it off just as he parked at the end of the pit lane, have I missed owt important?
 
Why is it that only (nearly) Mclaren have problems with pitstops. Redbull and Ferrari never have any issues

I read something from someone at Ferrari saying they looked at their stops very hard over the winter. Apparently they have managed a 2.2 second stop in practise but that's not with a car arriving at speed. He said the best they can probably expect in a race would be about 2.5 but that will require more work.


Found the link
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99021

"In practice, so in a more relaxed environment compared to a race, we have managed to get down to 2.2 seconds at the green light," Ioverno said in Bahrain.

"In the last race we managed to do our best pitstops in 2.6 seconds at the green light. Honestly I think it's difficult to think we can manage 2.2 seconds in the race with a car arriving at 100 km/h, and with the variable of where the driver stops the car.

"We can say that, as time goes by and with some improvements we have in mind, perhaps we could get down to 2.4s-2.5s at the green light, but I repeat: the most important thing is to keep up with a good average, because in the end the importance of a pitstop is to guarantee a fixed time delta to whoever does the strategy, avoiding surprises and the risk of falling behind traffic after a stop."

Ioverno says that as well as copying Mercedes' idea of encased wheel nuts in the rim, Ferrari revised its air guns and changed its wheel nuts – which rotate just three times now to be fully engaged, rather than the more standard six.

"In detail: we have worked on air guns with our suppliers, obviously by making them more powerful, trying to compensate for the limitations added by the federation [the ban on helium]," he said.

"We have worked on the car layout, by making fairly strategic and different, risky choices. So we have the captive nut, joint with the rim. We have made some screw thread choices, in order to optimise fastening speed. We have made an important electronic development work on the light system: Ferrari was the first team with a lights system, and I think today we are again the leaders with the light system after having introduced the lights on the jacks.

"The jack operator now doesn't look at the air-gun holder's hands, but he looks at a light that switches on on the trolley when the corner mechanics have finished. So, all these things allow us to minimise the big remaining issues: reaction time, and the precautions needed to be taken to avoid mistakes.

"Clearly I'm just taking about team time with a car standing still under controlled conditions; on top of that there's a big work we are doing with the drivers, also to educate them on the importance of the effect of the car stopping position and method has on the team's confidence in doing its operations - and also how important is the way they approach the pitstop: in the braking, the stopping position and the getting away."
 
incorrect. sky's coverage has been brilliant so far imo

I think it's been good, they've done a few good prerace build up bits, was it Glock eating something really spicy in Malaysia with Ted?

Vettel and Simon last week and Paul Di Resta on his boat etc.

I always find those kind of things interesting...

I don't think the chemistry is quite there yet between Hill, Brundle and Lazenby though.

I think Martin and Simon relay off eachother well but Hill doesn't seem too natural with it all...

But Lazenby looks at the camera (and us in other words) with a bit of scowl sometimes and his voice is a bit rough sounding? May just be a matter of opinion but tbh, he's not that bad though, but when comparing to Jake I don't think anyone is going to look superior as a lead.
 
Well I'm glad I missed that! (just watched it on fast forward)

Damn you Vettel :( (I've turned it off before he gets out the car, cos I can imagine what happened)

If I've turned it off just as he parked at the end of the pit lane, have I missed owt important?

Nothing really, Kimi looking ecstatic with his performance. Grosjean slightly downbeat and Vettel finger wagging. :p
 
Rosberg v Hamilton ruling:

1) The driver of Car 8 commenced his move to the right after the exit from T3 and moved to the right in a constant and continuous straight line manner, not making any sudden movements (as evidenced by telemetry and video evidence) and;

2) At the time he commenced his move, Car 4 was behind him and no part of his car was alongside Car 8 and;

3) The driver of Car 8 made the move to the right prior to the driver of Car 4 making the same move and;

4) For more than half of the distance travelled by Car 8 in moving in a straight line towards the right hand edge of the track, Car 4 remained behind Car 8 and;

5) Because the delta speed between the two cars was quite significant it was difficult for Car 8 to detect the exact position of Car 4 in relation to his own car;

6) Had a significant portion of Car 4 been alongside that of Car 8 whilst Car 4 still remained within the confines of the track, then the actions of Car 8 may not have been considered legitimate.

So apparently Rosberg was driving in a straight line? Errr... Ok....
 
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lolMcLaren is all I need to say. Im off to have a well deserved ice cream.

Rosberg needs sanctions after that move on Alonso. Think with the other move both he and Hamilton were in the wrong and both didnt get an unfair advantage (would have been totally different if Hamilton hadnt passed him mind)

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Hmmm, they investigated the incident both times under 16.1g - Illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

Rather than 16.1e - Forced a driver off the track.
 
I also love the massively condescending way you phrase this as if it's 100% concrete fact and it's only due to your superior insight that you've come to understand it and everyone who disagrees with you is just somehow inferior to you at being able to see these things.

Its not supposed to be condescending. Its just that I believe credit should be due where it is deserved.

If a driver or any sport person has done well, he should be acknowledged for it. On this forum though, Vettel does not seem to get credit for what he is doing.

Regardless of the fact that we are 4 races in, the fact is that in a car which is clearly not the best, he is leading the title race.

In my post above, I was waiting for the new excuses to come through and it would appear that the new excuse is, "we are only 4 races in".

I now await the excuses, should Vettel be leading the title race further into the season. This should be fun.
 
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