Bahrain Grand Prix 2014, Sakhir - Race 3/19

[Glaucus]

I would love to see that set-up in more detail, it would allow for all sorts of different routing and packaging options. Hell separating the units like that should in theory greatly diminish the size of inter-cooler required to cool the intake air. On the other hand I could see it increasing lag slightly but that doesn't seem to have hurt them much.

The article says it reduces lag (and thus use less ERS to spin it up and thus less gathering needed) and it's meant to reduce cooling need. Hence Mercedes can run smaller side pods

Apparently the other teams it the PU relatively late do mercy have a big packaging advantage on them.
How true some off these articles are is another thing. But I think that was in the main sky f1 article.

 

[deuse]

How long before Ferrari\Renault ask the FIA to mod their engines? which I think shouldn't be allowed.

 

[dalin80]

The article says it reduces lag.

While I'm sure that is true and merc guys are insanely clever everything I was ever taught on turbos (from admittedly a road car perspective) tells me that anything that increases the rotating mass, in this case a connecting shaft will increase lag. Would be great to get to know all the details but I can't see that happening for the next decade!

 

[Crippled Potato]

Red bull's nose camera view



Crafty buggers. Clever, but frustrating for viewers.

 

[Glaucus]

Can't blame them for ping the best they can, I can blame VIA for implementing rubbish camera and data rules.

 

[413x]

How long before Ferrari\Renault ask the FIA to mod their engines? which I think shouldn't be allowed.

already!

i partly agree. Merc have nailed the engine well and should be allowed to reap the rewards, but if ferrari and renault are constantly behind.. how long before they potentially just go? (particularly renault)

question: can honda see all this and now effectively see the method to just come in with a better unit? Or did they have to submit before this season? Crafty if not!

 

[deuse]

No chance of seeing if they have a bending floor this year then.

 

[smr]

Looks like Hamilton and Rosberg will walk it tomorrow.

 

[Skeeter]

Honda's engine won't be homoligated until the start of next year, but I expect they would be quite far into development so maybe too late to adopt a split housing design, if they haven't already done so?

There is genuine real world benifits to other road and race cars with this. The packaging has a lot of advantages. The issue will be the heightened cost of a new turbo technology given the current universal adoption of a single turbo unit design. Its also going to mean a shift from building an NA block that could have a turbo bolted on, to building a block designed from the outset to be turbo only. But then NA engines are going to be a thing of the past in the mass car market soon anyway.

And that Red Bull camera, such LOLs. The FIA really need to tighten up their regulation writing.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

I would love to see that set-up in more detail, it would allow for all sorts of different routing and packaging options. Hell separating the units like that should in theory greatly diminish the size of inter-cooler required to cool the intake air. On the other hand I could see it increasing lag slightly but that doesn't seem to have hurt them much.

Apparently it even reduces the lag!

 

[englishpremier]

TD conference was good, as I've been saying it's teams wanting more ballast, rather than actually struggling with weight issues. It's cheap for the team to tell a driver to lose weight, it's costly and hard to lose a few kilos in the car.

Just like jockeys and other sports, teams will always want the smallest lightest driver they can.

They chose the drivers. If they were that concerned they'd hire lighter drivers. Especially Sauber who hired Sutil quite late on.

 

[413x]

Looks like Hamilton and Rosberg will walk it tomorrow.

absolutely, i think it will be a race to see thier true pace, unless they dont get pushed!

 

[smr]

absolutely, i think it will be a race to see thier true pace, unless they dont get pushed!

Yep, if it will be such an advantage for Merc all season at least there's still the inter-team battle between Rosberg and Hamilton, who are good friends of course... so that will be fascinating to watch. Then there's always the fight for 2nd, 3rd etc.

 

[Skeeter]

Unfortunately, the best way to manage a pair of drivers with such pace is to hand out team orders. If they have an advantage they will just fly in formation managing everything.

 

[Glaucus]

They chose the drivers. If they were that concerned they'd hire lighter drivers. Especially Sauber who hired Sutil quite late on.

There's not a huge driver market. It's much easier to hire a good driver and tell them to thin down.
The weight is far better off in ballast as the TD said in the conference than on the drivers. So this will always be an issue regardless of weight limits. They are running ballast even with the drivers current weight.

 

[deuse]

FOM has dialled up the engine sound again

 

[drunkenmaster]

Only just turned on and they were talking about I think Rosberg and Perez, they got called to the stewards after P2 afaik. They mentioned if the punishment/penalty was fair but I presume said what that was at the start of the conversation. Was there anything significant or were they just warned or something? I got the impression it was Rosberg blocking Perez?

Can't seem to see any articles talking about it so just wondering if he has a grid penalty or anything. I'd actually like to see it, I have a feeling a Merc starting from further back could be awesome for a race

 

[Kenai]

Reprimand I think

 

[drunkenmaster]

Can still hope for one of them to screw up quali

I'd much prefer one race this year where they do points for quali and the race so effectively double points but run a reverse grid order to see how it works. Could be epic. Much better idea than just double points for a normal race end of the year.

 

[Skeeter]

I've decided not to try and form my own arguments around these engines, and instead just tell people to listen to Anthony Davidson. The guy has my exact attitude.