I was thinking that too. He got so close to the fire with zero protection to his face, very brave, while the fully suited fire marshal was about 10-15ft away peeing in to the wind
Poll: Bahrain Grand Prix 2020, Sakhir - Race 15/17
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Gees. He's a stupid and hell of a lucky guy to be alive.
I've never seen a car in half like that.
Race was dead boring after that.
Renault... Ugh
Ocon was poor in head to head with Riccardo, doesn't bode well. For 2021.
Renault are now firmly in 5th. 2 bad races on the bounce
Riccardo must be excited with mclaren form and getting a merc engine!
Perez, can't swap ocon for Perez?
I've never seen a car in half like that.
Race was dead boring after that.
Renault... Ugh
Ocon was poor in head to head with Riccardo, doesn't bode well. For 2021.
Renault are now firmly in 5th. 2 bad races on the bounce
Riccardo must be excited with mclaren form and getting a merc engine!
Perez, can't swap ocon for Perez?
I bet there are two different view points going on.
Romain being a racing driver will be thinking, well that was unlucky it's unlikely I will ever be in a crash that bad again.
Romain family, you are lucky to be alive next time you might not be!
I've watched a few videos of people saying thinks need to change. It's not good enough, lessons have been learned etc etc.
Surely these cars are 'safe' enough? Such a freak accident with the speed, location, angle etc. I honestly don't think they could do much better at stopping that.
Surely these cars are 'safe' enough? Such a freak accident with the speed, location, angle etc. I honestly don't think they could do much better at stopping that.
Not sure there is much more that can be done to the cars (someone will figure something out though)
The track is a different matter, could barrier design be better? Possibly. Could the fire fighting equipment be better? People better trained? Things like this highlight small improvements that could make the difference when it all goes south.
The Marshall's don't have face protection either. I think you have a frankly unreasonable expectation of what one guy with a fire extinguisher can do against a fire raging at around a 1000 degrees.
I doubt it - he would in 99% of accidents want to be talking/assessing the individual and trying to do that from behind a visor/full face helmet would be much harder.
This (the fire part of the accident) is a freak event and putting him in a full face helmet would make his job harder I suspect.
Great to see Grosjean walk away from that with fairly minimal injuries. Whilst I think it's quite clear it was his own fault from the way he swerved across the track, driving with blinkers on as he often does, I wouldn't wish any ill on him. Nice that the Halo has undoubtably saved someone's life, should silence those that have continued to grumble about it.
Aside from that, a fairly dull race. What happened to Bottas? Sure he didn't get a great start but to finish in 8th is shocking. The C4 highlights didn't mention any damage, did he just have an appalling strategy / drive slowly?
Glad I only watched the highlights really. I guess the race was red flagged for a really long time due to the Grosjean incident, and I'd have been unimpressed with the tail end of the race being behind the safety car all the way to the end. Can't remember the exact lap that Perez stopped, wasn't it ~10 from the end? Poor that they didn't clear the car in that time if so.
Aside from that, a fairly dull race. What happened to Bottas? Sure he didn't get a great start but to finish in 8th is shocking. The C4 highlights didn't mention any damage, did he just have an appalling strategy / drive slowly?
Glad I only watched the highlights really. I guess the race was red flagged for a really long time due to the Grosjean incident, and I'd have been unimpressed with the tail end of the race being behind the safety car all the way to the end. Can't remember the exact lap that Perez stopped, wasn't it ~10 from the end? Poor that they didn't clear the car in that time if so.
He had a puncture early on. Still a solidly awful drive from him though.
I'm really not sure. Having a concrete barrier would have probably killed him on impact.
And there's no way to have a fire team equipped to deal with a fuel tank/lithium battery fire on every marshall post.
I think they need to look at the positives; the FIA, the engineers, and the track officials done enough to save his life.
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Commentary team kept saying how bad the Merc is in traffic, yet seemed to forget Hamilton's recovery drive about 4 races ago
He's useless in traffic, which is a shame because out of position cars tend to be a nice addition to a race.
Haha. Yeah he just made so little progress up the field considering he's in the fastest car. Getting harder to defend him right now - bar his qualifying pace he's being shown up by Hamilton as badly as Albon is by Verstappen now.
Agreed. They can't be prepared for every single possible freak accident. I think they did a great job considering.
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Steiner saying its up to Romain as to whether he's in the car next weekend; all depends on how bad the burns are and the medical clearance.
Interestingly neither of the two Haas reserve drivers (Fittipaldi and Deletraz) actually have a super license so can't fill in anyway.
Suspect that if needed we'll see Hulkenburg (Homeless), Pascal Wehrlein (Ferrari Reserve) or Vandoorne (Merc Reserve) in the Haas next weekend before Mick Schumacher makes his F1 debut at Abu Dhabi if Grosjean can't return.
Interestingly neither of the two Haas reserve drivers (Fittipaldi and Deletraz) actually have a super license so can't fill in anyway.
Suspect that if needed we'll see Hulkenburg (Homeless), Pascal Wehrlein (Ferrari Reserve) or Vandoorne (Merc Reserve) in the Haas next weekend before Mick Schumacher makes his F1 debut at Abu Dhabi if Grosjean can't return.
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The obvious plus to a guardrail is that it does deform, unlike a concrete wall. Quite how it deformed is the alarming bit.
That said Robert Kubica hit a concrete wall at what must have been a higher speed at a similar angle at Montreal in 2007, and just missed a single race, so those saying that crash with a concrete wall would have been fatal might not be right. Granted Kubica was lucky to just miss a race and not have permanent foot and leg injuries at best, and these cars have a lot more weight behind them than Kubica's did, but I would be surprised if the accident would have been as serious with a concrete wall - the head on crash into a concrete wall is after all one of the tests they regularly perform on chassis before they are even allowed out for testing.
That said Robert Kubica hit a concrete wall at what must have been a higher speed at a similar angle at Montreal in 2007, and just missed a single race, so those saying that crash with a concrete wall would have been fatal might not be right. Granted Kubica was lucky to just miss a race and not have permanent foot and leg injuries at best, and these cars have a lot more weight behind them than Kubica's did, but I would be surprised if the accident would have been as serious with a concrete wall - the head on crash into a concrete wall is after all one of the tests they regularly perform on chassis before they are even allowed out for testing.
Looking at the track, it's not massively clear why they need a barrier jutting out like that next to the track. If Romain hit concrete, the car would have deflected back towards the track - with the concrete moving backwards as well to absorb some of the impact.
As it was, the nose of his car went through the barrier catching it and swinging the car around, instead of deflecting it like concrete would have.
Perhaps they'll end up testing that scenario with different barrier types to optimise future safety standards.
As it was, the nose of his car went through the barrier catching it and swinging the car around, instead of deflecting it like concrete would have.
Perhaps they'll end up testing that scenario with different barrier types to optimise future safety standards.
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i quite fancy Verstappen to finish the season in second tbh
The barrier is there, and at that angle to protect a service road. I think they need to look at whether it is safe to have barriers at that angle, as whilst Grosjean's accident was unusual, any accident occurring at that kind of angle would be made worse by the angle of the barrier approach the track.
The Bahrain "oval" won't suit the Red Bull, I think, and that'll be enough to keep Max in 3rd.
Would be great if it was Schumacher for both.