Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers

Does anyone know if there is truth in the tale that Asher's used to open on Sundays, and stopped once this case kicked off?

Can anyone, preferably of the same Christian class as Asher's, please enlighten me as to why they only pick up on some of the teachings of the old testament, and make it the backbone of their faith, while ignore the written rules in those books, such as don't eat pork, or cook with pork etc? (I can understand the Catholic Church's viewpoint on various aspects, as they discount and suggest new testament supersedes old, yet these Christian groups often ban alcohol and various other things that are certainly not within the New Testament.)
 
koolpc said:
Why should anyone do that? Its ok for the gay couple to stand up for their beliefs but not the Christian shop?
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Though you don't choose to be gay.

Do you choose to be Christian? I suppose not directly but there is more of an element of choice there than when it comes to sexuality.
 
what belief, a basic belief to be treated equally, isn't in anyway the same as a belief to discriminate on a book, which non of you follow or understand anyway.
 
Acme said:
Though you don't choose to be gay.

Do you choose to be Christian? I suppose not directly but there is more of an element of choice there than when it comes to sexuality.
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They choose to get married. They choose to buy a cake.
 
Acme said:
Do you know that for a fact?
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yep, for many reasons. including it contradicts it self. its clear people don't follow it as there's some extreme stuff in it, let alone if we get to translation and origin stuff.
it is fair to say no one has ever truly followed it, its very much pick and choose which bits you want and ignore the rest.
 
Acme said:
Though you don't choose to be gay.

Do you choose to be Christian? I suppose not directly but there is more of an element of choice there than when it comes to sexuality.
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You dont choose to be gay? Some people dont know what they are! :p
 
Dis86 said:
They choose to get married. They choose to buy a cake.
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I think you're missing the point I was making, but it doesn't matter...

Glaucus said:
yep, for many reasons. including it contradicts it self. its clear people don't follow it as there's some extreme stuff in it, let alone if we get to translation and origin stuff.
it is fair to say no one has ever truly followed it, its very much pick and choose which bits you want and ignore the rest.
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Fair enough, I think I misunderstood what you were getting at.
 
Some poster's views in this topic actually infuriate me beyond belief. You don't decide to your sexuality (the vast majority of the time), however you cannot say the same for your beliefs. You choose a specific religion or it is chosen for you and you have the choice of whether to follow this imaginary sky pixie, or not.

To think that religion trumps anything in my eyes is quite laughable.
 
I agree, though in some cases it is so ingrained in people because it is all they have known and all their family has known, that it could almost not be a choice.

To some people it's as ridiculous to think there is no God, as thinking there is one is to you.
 
cheesyboy said:
What religious belief is trumped by making a gay wedding cake?
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Exactly. Their belief has not been removed or infringed upon, it's acting on beliefs that in this case breaks the law.

Example: A shopkeeper doesn't like tattoos and finds them hideous to look at. Is it OK for this person to refuse service to someone with visible tattoos? Of course not, because that would be discrimination.

As for the Muslim butcher comparison, it is illegal for Muslim butchers NOT to offer pork.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-colombes-paris-france-good-price-supermarket.

It is pretty much illegal for people to refuse service based on their beliefs and prejudices. The idea that they are being discriminated against for being forced to provide a service that they advertise is a logical fallacy.
 
I think people are getting confused about what actually makes you gay.

Baking a gay cake doesn't make you gay. It's not an infringement of a person's right to religion. You are free to go ahead and be religious. Be as not gay as you like, preoccupy yourself with the worry of all those poor gays who are on their way to hell, whatever does it for you.

What is an infringement of a person's rights is to deny service based on their sexual persuasion (as it would be for their religious persuasion)

And, yes, it is a discriminatory denial of service to refuse a gay version of an allowable straight cake.
 
cheesyboy said:
There's a screen grab from their website earlier in this thread which shows their opening hours includes Sundays. Was part of the discussion, mentioned in quite a few posts.

If they've changed, then it's since this blew up.

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here:
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Thank you.
I missed that, as the thread is moving so fast.
They have indeed changed their hours, as they no one report to be open on Sunday's to the best of my knowledge.

Good to see this little event has made them more Christian!
 
ICDP said:
As for the Muslim butcher comparison, it is illegal for Muslim butchers NOT to offer pork.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-colombes-paris-france-good-price-supermarket.
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That's France, and looks more like a licensing issue than a legal one. Much like the Indian restaurant owners in my local town were denied a license to open a new Indian takeaway fairly nearby after taking on a lease - believe it was felt by the council that there would be too many Indian takeaways. They opened a fried chicken takeaway instead.
 
If the cake shop has to close to pay the legal costs what a brilliant outcome for the gaystapo. They would be over the moon because let's face it that would be the result they must have dreamt about.
 
John40 said:
If the cake shop has to close to pay the legal costs what a brilliant outcome for the gaystapo. They would be over the moon because let's face it that would be the result they must have dreamt about.
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Why would they dream about that?

Anyway, no need to fear - the tab is being picked up by the Church.
 
koolpc said:
Why should anyone do that? Its ok for the gay couple to stand up for their beliefs but not the Christian shop?
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What nonsense and totally shows the narrow minded religious beliefs at work. They gay couple were not standing up for their beliefs, they were going to court because they were discriminated against.

It's against the law to refuse to provide a service to someone, while happily providing the same service to someone else. It is discrimination to refuse service in this case. PERIOD.

If someone had asked them to bake a cake commemorating IRA/UVF dead, then refusing to make it is still discrimination. They may find the message on the cake to be in their opinion morally wrong but it does not mean it's OK to refuse service.
 
It wasn't direct discrimination against the customer.

If a straight person came in and asked for a gay cake, it would have had the same outcome.
 
Acme said:
It wasn't discrimination against the customer.

If a straight person came in and asked for a gay cake, it would have had the same outcome.
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Offering the same service to all doesn't mean the service is not discriminatory.

But, anyway, it's a bespoke cake - the service isn't just picking a cake off a shelf: it's producing an item to order. And you're denying a gay cake design where you would allow the same cake in heterosexual equivalent. That's a discrimination.
 
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