Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers

Glaucus said:
they do make custom cakes, they did exactly that refuse to make a gay referenced cake.

don't do a job where you force yourself to break the law. no ones forcing them to take custom orders or to do that job.

same as the b&b couple. if you want to stick to your beliefs don't have that job.
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So you're saying that because of other people's lifestyle choices people shouldn't be allowed to do the job they want?
People need to work. People don't need to get married.
 
Acme said:
They mentioned that they have served the person before and would happily do so again. There is a difference between discrimination and not doing something which goes against what you believe in.
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no, there absolutely isn't, its still refusing to serve.
don't like it, don't make custom cakes, just have a normal bakery.
again no one is stopping them believing what they want. But just like many belifes you cant have them affecting your job and the public.

Dis86 said:
So you're saying that because of other people's lifestyle choices people shouldn't be allowed to do the job they want?
People need to work. People don't need to get married.
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absolutely, why are you so surprised, its hardly the only area with restrictions on what you can and cant do in a place of work.
 
Acme said:
When I heard about this on the radio I was thinking along the lines of what Platypus is saying. They shouldn't have been prosecuted for politely refusing to make a cake which carries a message that goes against their beliefs, even if those beliefs seem wrong to many of us, they are still theirs to hold.

They mentioned that they have served the person before and would happily do so again. There is a difference between discrimination and not doing something which goes against what you believe in.
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Exactly what I was trying to hint at, thank you.

I'm just not really comfortable with forcing them into having to make a product that goes against their beliefs. I'm not saying it's right.

Yes you can (glibly) say they shouldn't run a business; you could equally glibly just say the gay couple could go elsewhere.

Acme said:
In either case I personally feel that it has been blown out of proportion. But maybe thats just me.
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No I do too; it's entirely been blown out of proportions. The gay couple could simply have refused to shop their any more and taken their business elsewhere. /shrug.
 
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FutileBreadMachine said:
I don't get why Christians are all anti-gay claiming it's what the Bible teaches, when it says that in the Old Testament which contains other commandments they ignore, like eating pork.
Leviticus 11:
"Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you."

They also reject other parts about stoning people since they say Jesus revoked those laws with a "new covenant", but for some reason they cling to the "you shall not lie with a man" law.
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That post shows your ignorance of anything theological!
 
platypus said:
Exactly what I was trying to hint at, thank you.

I'm just not really comfortable with forcing them into having to make a product that goes against their beliefs. I'm not saying it's right.

Yes you can (glibly) say they shouldn't run a business; you could equally glibly just say the gay couple could go elsewhere.
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no its not glibly and its completely different, your thought reasoning is so backwards its unbelievable. its just unfortunate that so many think the same way.

work and public places have lots of restrictions, again discrimination is hardly the only law you have to comply with when working.

I'll just make up some random religion and break any other law as that's my belief. your reasoning totally falls flat on its face when you think about it. no one is stopping anyone believing what every they want. it however does not mean in anyway you can then go an act out those beliefs.
 
Its obvious the gay people just wanted to kick up a fuss. They always have something to prove!! For goodness sake, what are they going to fuss about next?
 
Glaucus said:
no its not glibly and its completely different, your thought reasoning is so backwards its unbelievable. its just unfortunate that so many think the same way.
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Rather than getting hysterical about it old chap, try and explain why its not glib, and why its completely different.
 
platypus said:
Rather than getting hysterical about it old chap, try and explain why its not glib, and why its completely different.
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Glaucus said:
no its not glibly and its completely different, your thought reasoning is so backwards its unbelievable. its just unfortunate that so many think the same way.

work and public places have lots of restrictions, again discrimination is hardly the only law you have to comply with when working.

I'll just make up some random religion and break any other law as that's my belief. your reasoning totally falls flat on its face when you think about it. no one is stopping anyone believing what every they want. it however does not mean in anyway you can then go an act out those beliefs.
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I said explain it, not requote the same hysterical nonsense.

And actually, the rights to practice your religious beliefs are enshrined in law.
 
platypus said:
I said explain it, not requote the same hysterical nonsense.
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its not hysterical.
my belief is I should be able to ignore any safety laws at work, you going to side with me and allow me to carry that out?
or does decency and the law trump personal acting out personal beliefs especially at a place of work.

rather than having such views, and keep repeating its trumping their views, how about showing how it trumps their believes as you have totally failed to do so.

yes they are enshrined in law, that does not trump this or should it. it does not allow you to break the laws. it allows you to belief what you want, not do what you want. So again another pointless argument that has no bearing.
 
koolpc said:
Its obvious the gay people just wanted to kick up a fuss. They always have something to prove!! For goodness sake, what are they going to fuss about next?
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It does scream of self importance.
How do bouncers get away with this practice ever day, people get turned away based on all sorts of prejudices. Surely it's the right of a business to choose.
The punter isn't being denied basic human rights so they should just take their business to someone who doesn't care.
Makes no sense to me.
 
Glaucus said:
no, there absolutely isn't, its still refusing to serve.
don't like it, don't make custom cakes, just have a normal bakery.
again no one is stopping them believing what they want. But just like many belifes you cant have them affecting your job and the public.



absolutely, why are you so surprised, its hardly the only area with restrictions on what you can and cant do in a place of work.
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I can't believe you think that someone has less right to life than another person who just wants a cake!
 
Glaucus said:
its not hysterical.
my belief is I should be able to ignore any safety laws at work, you going to side with me and allow me to carry that out?
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Are you a member of a registered faith that follows those tenets?

or does decency and the law trump personal acting out personal beliefs especially at a place of work.
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No it doesn't. What it does trump - and rightly so - is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

But you seem to be missing the obvious hypocrisy in discriminating against the business's personal beliefs in the process of discriminating against the gay couple.
 
platypus said:
Are you a member of a registered faith that follows those tenets?

No it doesn't. What it does trump - and rightly so - is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

But you seem to be missing the obvious hypocrisy in discriminating against the business's personal beliefs in the process of discriminating against the gay couple.
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I could be, its not hard.

what hypocrisy, business do not have personal beliefs. if that was true, no one would pay tax, or follow any of the laws.

what is enshrined in law is allowing you to believe what you want, that court case or the B&B did not go against that. just because you have those believes. doesn't mean you can act them out.
 
I understand why the court found it to be a case of direct discrimination. I just don't feel comfortable with them discriminating against the bakers beliefs. Perhaps the solution would have been to hire in contract bakers to do the cake.
 
platypus said:
I understand why the court found it to be a case of direct discrimination. I just don't feel comfortable with them discriminating against the bakers beliefs. Perhaps the solution would have been to hire in contract bakers to do the cake.
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Agree
 
why not, you know, don't discriminate, and if your beliefs are that strong, use your right to do a different job where you don't have to compromise your beliefs. In this case not offer custom cakes to anyone.
 
Glaucus said:
why not, you know, don't discriminate, and if your beliefs are that strong, use your right to do a different job where you don't have to compromise your beliefs. In this case not offer custom cakes to anyone.
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Why should anyone do that? Its ok for the gay couple to stand up for their beliefs but not the Christian shop?
 
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