But he criticised your point, then added it in the end. You seem to have dismissed everything he said based on the fact that he criticised your punctuation, which is what you're claiming he's doing.
Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers
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But he criticised your point, then added it in the end. You seem to have dismissed everything he said based on the fact that he criticised your punctuation, which is what you're claiming he's doing.
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I guess I must be the only one drawing the conclusion that he sees minorities as people who are workshy, impolite, slackers who are poor timekeepers and that's the only reason they are hired, to fill a quota.
Yes you can. They're not denying 'a product' in the general sense they're refusing to be involved with making a specific product.
Does a printer need to advertise itself as anti-fascist in order to turn down BNP fliers?
Would an Arab owned newspaper need to state up front it's opposition to Israel before it turns down some Jewish organisation's pro Isaraeli advert?
To be fair what he is saying is that for him to hire someone that isn't a white heterosexual male they have to be better than a white heterosexual male not that they are workshy, impolite, slackers who are poor timekeepers.
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In logic and critical thinking, a slippery slope is a logical device, but it is usually known under its fallacious form, in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the inevitability of the event in question.
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I am at a loss though why he thinks that they don't work as hard if not harder as white males, and if they work equally as hard why would he hire the white males first?
I have absolutely no idea.
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Wow this thread blew up....
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Your error regarding the meaning of the word "can't" impacted on the entirety of this part of your argument though - "You cant judge a whole race or section of society by the actions of one person."
Draw whatever conclusions you like, I'm waiting for you to quote where I said those things you accused me of saying.
There is every reason to do so when it comes to creating something. It's a basic freedom of speech/freedom of expression issue.
Its a political argument whether you're so sure you're on the right side of it or not. There are uneven numbers of men and women therefore I propose that all marriage creates inequality... I'm anti marriage on the basis of equality... or at least I could be if I chose to have that view... it's as valid as anyone else's view as it's just that, a view....
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I'm not even sure what it's about any more, just seems like personal insults.
You can choose what to create or not create in your private life, you are more restricted when it comes to running a business.
I don't agree that all views are equally valid.
Just to be perfectly clear though that doesn't mean I don't think people have the right to hold whatever view they like.
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You're back to misquoting me Mart, it's a poor show, don't do it.
I'm still waiting for you to quote where I said those things. We both know you can't
It does on the views of the owners/management though.
Most creative businesses do - we had a photographer in here saying he refuses to do selective colouring - that's his call... his creations - if a client wants it they can find a different photographer. People doing custom work have the right to turn down work - they have freedom if expression/freedom of speech. Turning down particular work != turning down particular customers.
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The inherent bias is so telling when this subject comes up, as they clearly see them as comparable (usually things like child abuse or bestiality).We haven't really got to that point or are anywhere near it. The closest we have so far is the comparisons of gay marriage to all evils under the sun.
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You're back to misquoting me Mart, it's a poor show, don't do it.
I'm still waiting for you to quote where I said those things. We both know you can't
You are one of those smartarses who like to rile people up, you and I both know what you implied, you just don't have the balls to admit it.
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Please quote me saying that.
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Back to insults as you can't prove your assertions. I'm still waiting Mart.
No you're not... or at least shouldn't be - that's the whole distinction that will have to be made here - it's the customer that's protected from discrimination not the individual products... you're not forced to support something just because a customer wants you to. A baker isn't obliged to go ahead any more than a newspaper is obliged to compromise his editorial stance and allow an advert that goes against it.
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Told you he was trolling