Soldato
That's not what I asked...I asked whether you regard your wife as part of your family?
Yes as part of my family, which already exists.
That's not what I asked...I asked whether you regard your wife as part of your family?
Yes as part of my family, which already exists.
Why are we arguing over the meaning of the word 'family' for Pete's sake?
Can't we just all agree it's a rather vague term that can be used fairly liberally and get back to discussing whether a business can legally/morally refuse to provide a servce that promotes gay rights?
Are you sure (the familial bonds thing)?
It seems to me that two parents with children conceived naturally would be a far stronger family unit, on the whole, than a couple of gay fellas. Gays just don't have the same sorts of drive to pro-create and raise a family. That drive to reproduce is the primal desire behind wanting to mate and gays don't really mate do they?
Creating a child with a person makes a bond that is phenomenally powerful in my experience. Not to mention the profound and unconditional love I think it's only possible to have for your own child.
Dunno, is it human nature? Look - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...than-the-unattractive-says-study-8809987.html
better looking people more likely to get a job. The injustice of it all! How dare we have preferences and personal feelings. We should all be uber logical automatons!
And my subsequent list does indicate how the candidate is to positively influence an employer with a bias - "I prefer to hire men, but obviously she's made a really huge effort in learning about my company and the job"
Then they'd be discriminating against people - which is rather different... If a straight guy had asked for the same cake he'd likely have got the same refusal. They're not refusing to serve a person they're refusing to create something with a message they're opposed to. That is their right IMO, their 'editorial stance' so to speak... no they're not a newspaper turning down an advert but they're in the business of creating, they have views and they've got the right to express their views and not express views they don't agree with. They've turned down the product/political stance not the customer - ergo I really hope they win this case.
We don't/can't know the underlying motivations here but let's leave that aside for the moment. If it's the political stance they've turned down then they fall foul of the law in Northern Ireland anyway as I understand it since that covers discrimination on political grounds.
Manufacturing doesn't equal endorsement.
If they will refuse to take requests in that manner, they need to look into a different line of work.
Your initial assertion was based on a preference for hiring straight white males - that still seems pretty irrelevant to me and linking to a study showing that attractive people are more likely to get hired doesn't really indicate why that preference for sexual orientation, skin colour and gender is supportable. Maybe some people do tend to hire in their own image (for want of a better phrase) but that's not exactly an argument to say that it's right to do so or that it's an even vaguely sensible proposition to do so.
I'm not sure it applies in that way... rather they've not discriminated against the customer as a result of their politics - they've refused to make a certain product/endorse a particular political view.
I don't believe NI law requires everyone to support any political view...
rather its there to stop nationalists discriminating against unionists and vice versa as customers... in the same way you're not allowed to discriminate against people on the basis of their sexuality, race, etc..etc..
Its again the product not the customer they've taken issue with and the principle remains - if we're going to have freedom of speech/freedom of expression then you can't force people to support your views/beliefs, force them to create something they don't want to create... this is separate from simply refusing to serve someone on the basis of who that person is.
A B&B owner, for example, is clearly discriminating if they refuse a room to a gay couple... they're not discriminating however if they turn down an extra payment/refuse a request for a supplied rainbow flag and gay rights slogan to be flown from the roof of the B&B while a bunch of gay couples are staying there for some pride event etc...
Not discriminating against customers doesn't meant you have to accept any request from those customers and/or are forced to support any view those customers want to express. If that were the case then I'll buy a full page spread in Al-Arab newspaper for my Mohammed cartoon/god probably doesn't exist advert.
Im going to a gay wedding next friday, I will post on the gay friendly cake maker on my return.
Are gay people offended by trivial things such as fairy cakes?.
It's just tiaras and tantrums from the gay community.I don't think you understood the story.
It's just tiaras and tantrums from the gay community.
It's just tiaras and tantrums from the Christian community.