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No. They refused to put a pro gay slogan on a cake. they would have refused to put it on my cake and I'm straight.
Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers
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No. They refused to put a pro gay slogan on a cake. they would have refused to put it on my cake and I'm straight.
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No because you are trying to tie the words down to a hard and fast meaning whereas they are nice shorthand to hide the bigotry, this tendency to hold to precise hard rules and definitions might be a clue as to why the fighting has lasted so long.
I reckon you're just sore because you didn't get the Queen joke.
Soldato
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but as a business they must have (or at least should have) known they were leaving themselves open to a claim of discrimination. and suggesting other bakers may seem like mighty big of them but it was only further reinforcing the fact they were being discriminatory.
Lol, you really haven't a clue what you are on about.
Media took the meanings and over the years they have tried to apply them to everyone, it hasnr worked here though. I know what you mean though, its like saying every loyalist must hate ever republican, etc, that's also not true, thought it what some would want you to think.
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I'm sure they might be thinking that now, but that's just hindsight which is a waste of time. They didn't discriminate against them being gay, not like they didn't know about it when they initially take the order from them, its when they came in with the picture and message they didn't want to do.
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Indeed. They discriminated.
They made their point, and made it very clearly.
Now they have been found guilty of discrimination.
But it's worked everywhere else, the end is the bakers are now criminalised because their protestant bigotry and fear of looking bad to the rest of the loyalist community swayed their minds.
Exactly.
The issue is that people really enjoy slamming their sexuality in people's faces and this is more the case with homosexuals. It's just always in my face.
No one cares if your're a homosexual or whatever sexual, especially me because I'm not currently seeking sexual relations.
The fact is I see more homosexuals kissing in public than I do heterosexuals. 99% of heterosexual couples and individuals I see in public do absolutely nothing to advertise their perversities and lack of sexual patience. It seems as if more homo-couples I see in public do more to exhibit their sexuality than hetero-couples.
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Stop going to gay bars then?
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I'm calling BS (unless you live in Brighton
).I suspect when you see a heterosexual couple passionately kissing you ignore and forget it, but when you see two men or women doing it you blow it up in your mind and remember it, leading to the false conclusion that gay people are more sexually exhibitionist.
I go out a lot in my small city and in London and I see far, far, far more overt displays of heterosexual interaction than homosexual interaction. I don't think I've ever seen two men getting off where I live and when I see it in London there are 30 odd heterosexual couples to counteract them.
Soldato
I'm finding this very, very hard to believe.
IT WAS BORN THAT WAY!
So, if the couple who wanted the cake were a man and woman (and wanted the same cake), and it was refused, would there be an issue? I don't see that the bakery is discriminating against the customers because they are gay, they are simply refusing to create a cake with a particular message.
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Well the Bakery apparently has religious beliefs, as they have been referred to continually as a Christian bakery, rather than a bakery owned by christian fundamentalists.
So a gay cake sounds just as accurate.
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Funny how Ashers use uniforms made of more than one type of cloth, how they sell shellfish/pork products and are open on Sundays.
Yet somehow those bits from their Holy book get overlooked for profit but homosexuality...oh no!!!!
If these so-called 'born again Christians' were that dedicated to their Holy book then they would apply all of it and not just the bits that fit their personal modern compasses.
Christians who blame their issue with Gay Marriage on some kind of devout commitment to scripture remind me of people in the 60s who said they didn't want black people moving into the neighbourhood not because they were racist, but because they were so loving they feared these new immigrants would be bullied.
Stop hiding and just admit you're bigoted and then we can move on.
Yet somehow those bits from their Holy book get overlooked for profit but homosexuality...oh no!!!!
If these so-called 'born again Christians' were that dedicated to their Holy book then they would apply all of it and not just the bits that fit their personal modern compasses.
Christians who blame their issue with Gay Marriage on some kind of devout commitment to scripture remind me of people in the 60s who said they didn't want black people moving into the neighbourhood not because they were racist, but because they were so loving they feared these new immigrants would be bullied.
Stop hiding and just admit you're bigoted and then we can move on.
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That isn't the issue, the Judge made it clear where they thought there were double standards from Ashers...
In other words, had Ashers proven they would refuse all cakes that promoted marriage they would have won. But specifically opposing gay marriage but not heterosexual marriage shows that the 'gay' element is the deciding factor and not the 'marriage' bit.