Bangernomics
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I wonder what happens when you crash a large old volvo (which you would hope would be better)
versus a modern 5 star euro ncap car. Well lets find out
I'll take the modern 5 star car please.
[TW]Fox;16282316 said:
I understand. I don't remotely agree (I don't think I'd be sitting on my death bed after being involved in an accident with a drunk driver doing twice the speed limit thinking "Gee. It's my fault I got hit, I could have taken the Bus instead"), but I understand.
Maybe it is because we are both young and ignorant
...well heres what happens when you crash a modern 5 star euro ncap car into a tree.
thats only 55mph. The occupants of that car would probably have lived. Given how badly the volvo above faired, i wouldnt like to be in an older car that crashed into a tree like that. You'd be dead.
Quite why you dont consider safety important i dont know. Unless you dont really mean it, and its the weed talking. Which seemingly would explain most of your daft posts.
I mean in general, not his point today. Just everything he says is 'HUH!?'
Anyway I think there is a key difference between bangernomics and loving older cars.
Chosing to run older cars because you genuinelly prefer them, and thus lavish the attention on them they really require, is cool. It's probably even a hobby. Thats great.
Running older cars with the aim of cutting every corner possible so you can run your car for the minimum of cost to the extent you end up driving around in an old Proton worth less than 3 tanks of petrol with 4 completely different random tyres on each corner with the aiming of running it until it wont move anymore at which point you scrap it and do the same again is in my eyes a bit different. Especially when the vehicle is your main family car.
It seems a bit like going camping in a field in Devon in the rain for your main holiday to save a bit of money :/
Anyway I think there is a key difference between bangernomics and loving older cars.
Chosing to run older cars because you genuinelly prefer them, and thus lavish the attention on them they really require, is cool. It's probably even a hobby. Thats great.
Running older cars with the aim of cutting every corner possible so you can run your car for the minimum of cost to the extent you end up driving around in an old Proton worth less than 3 tanks of petrol with 4 completely different random tyres on each corner with the aiming of running it until it wont move anymore at which point you scrap it and do the same again is in my eyes a bit different. Especially when the vehicle is your main family car.
It seems a bit like going camping in a field in Devon in the rain for your main holiday to save a bit of money :/
I have heard that test was set up so the modus would win.
Regardless, what is point of you posting that, I know which one is safer in a crash but I'm ( currently) not interested in a 940 at all
, nor does it represent what safety features I have in my car...I said I don't care which one is safer when picking my car.
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Hey here's an idea, don't drive into a tree 
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[TW]Fox;16275223 said:
Ok, it's not FLAWLESS (dents from people jacking it wrong underneath, rust on things like the number plate holder) but its in better condition than every single original (without respray/rebuild) that i've seen. However on the body or chassis there is NO rust - I dealt with the 'hot spots' a year ago so I didn't need to worry and also a guy who specialises in Mk1s called it mint when it went in to have its gear linkages replaced.
So, yes, actually I think it is
.Although with it living outside it's not going to stay like that much longer
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Old cars, you say?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MERCEDES-450-...omobiles_UK?hash=item4a9fd619f1#ht_604wt_1165
DO WANT SO BAD
But that's a bit special. Fox is right, owning something older but kept in good condition and looked after etc, I agree with. I do this myself. Owning something delapidated though is a bit different
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MERCEDES-450-...omobiles_UK?hash=item4a9fd619f1#ht_604wt_1165
DO WANT SO BAD
But that's a bit special. Fox is right, owning something older but kept in good condition and looked after etc, I agree with. I do this myself. Owning something delapidated though is a bit different
So, yes, actually I think it is
It's not, as you've just admitted. People misusing the word mint is such a pain.
'Yea mate its mint'
*drives to see car*
'Its got a dent here, a few scratches, that wheel is curbed, thats wrong, this is wrong'
'Mate its a second hand car'
'That you said was MINT...'
My car, for example, is not mint. Exceptionally good condition yes, mint? No.
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Just to answer a few points about running a ***** prestige.
It's all about what has been done, knowing what needs doing and as Fox mentions, what you are prepared to do. Mine came with the knowledge the front suspension was done at 135k and the cooling system at 156k, including the head gasket and a nice bill for a grand. I asked the owner why he'd bothered and he came up with a decent answer - where could he find a car that good for £1000 and he had a point.
Mine needed an o2 sensor, well, it needed cleaning off and it fixed the issue. Other than that, the car has been spot on - very pleasing result. Would I spend big money on it? Not a chance. I got £500 for my old 7 series with bent front suspension and I am fairly confident of that for the 5 series, even if something major went - plenty of people break them and for an extra grand I can get another.
When I bought it, I would've gone up to £1800-£2000 for the right car but I found that was a funny price range really. A lot of sheds, stuff that was getting near to needing big work. For my pennies I wanted something with the suspension done and preferably the cooling a decent while back. Oh and FULL service history, BMW or specialist for most if not all. The one I bought had more miles and not quite as pretty as I'd have liked but hey ho.
The real sod of all this is I was watching one on the bay of E that had no history present but the dealer insisted it was with the previous owner. After driving mine, the old fella insisted on chopping his 323F in for one. Anyway, this one gets re-listed, 1 day, same add not listing the history. I was looking at £2k for it as it's double glaze, tan leather, 120k and has the chrome trim outside etc etc. I email the guy who now has the service tome and ended up buying it for the old fella...for £1420. Result. Mind you, having 2 deep red S plate 528's is a little sad and with my old man's being significantly nicer it is also a little anoying. Overall though, lots of ***** prestige for little pennies.
It's all about what has been done, knowing what needs doing and as Fox mentions, what you are prepared to do. Mine came with the knowledge the front suspension was done at 135k and the cooling system at 156k, including the head gasket and a nice bill for a grand. I asked the owner why he'd bothered and he came up with a decent answer - where could he find a car that good for £1000 and he had a point.
Mine needed an o2 sensor, well, it needed cleaning off and it fixed the issue. Other than that, the car has been spot on - very pleasing result. Would I spend big money on it? Not a chance. I got £500 for my old 7 series with bent front suspension and I am fairly confident of that for the 5 series, even if something major went - plenty of people break them and for an extra grand I can get another.
When I bought it, I would've gone up to £1800-£2000 for the right car but I found that was a funny price range really. A lot of sheds, stuff that was getting near to needing big work. For my pennies I wanted something with the suspension done and preferably the cooling a decent while back. Oh and FULL service history, BMW or specialist for most if not all. The one I bought had more miles and not quite as pretty as I'd have liked but hey ho.
The real sod of all this is I was watching one on the bay of E that had no history present but the dealer insisted it was with the previous owner. After driving mine, the old fella insisted on chopping his 323F in for one. Anyway, this one gets re-listed, 1 day, same add not listing the history. I was looking at £2k for it as it's double glaze, tan leather, 120k and has the chrome trim outside etc etc. I email the guy who now has the service tome and ended up buying it for the old fella...for £1420. Result. Mind you, having 2 deep red S plate 528's is a little sad and with my old man's being significantly nicer it is also a little anoying. Overall though, lots of ***** prestige for little pennies.
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I have heard that test was set up so the modus would win.
Regardless, what is point of you posting that, I know which one is safer in a crash but I'm ( currently) not interested in a 940 at all
I said I don't care which one is safer when picking my car.
how exactly do you set it up so that the modus was better off ?
and the volvo represents all the older cars that werent designed with all the features that modern 5 star euro ncap cars have like crumple zones etc...
Not sure, but I heard someone say that before.
As for that Volvo, so ? I still fail to see what it has to do with me ?
its a reflection on older cars in general.
I've read theconspiracy theories about the volvo, that it had no engine, that the chassis was cut, the crash proection was removed etc.. but people fail to realise the huge advances that have been made in 20 years of development. Heres another
I've read theconspiracy theories about the volvo, that it had no engine, that the chassis was cut, the crash proection was removed etc.. but people fail to realise the huge advances that have been made in 20 years of development. Heres another
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[TW]Fox;16282421 said:
Fair play, I think people use it because "Mint" is easier to say than "Exceptionally good condition"
But basically mint = as it left the factory, depending on how pedantic you want to be as technically a car can never be as it came out of the factory.
So it's basically within reason its as close to as it left the factory...
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I'd hardly call it a set up but they picked an very offset front impact test. Something the Volvo was never designed or tested for which is a big tested area for modern cars. The Volvo also has an inline engine so suffered more from the offset impact than something with a transverse engine which would have spread more of the load. In a straighter head on or a side impact the Volvo would have faired a lot better.