I heard she murdered a greggs pastie now and again, but mass murder? cmon show me the proof?
Baroness Thatcher has died.
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I heard she murdered a greggs pastie now and again, but mass murder? cmon show me the proof?
Yes. All the bileful gash I heard in them learnin' books at that fancy teachin' place.
forgot that schools were on holiday, at least that explains the increase in crap being spouted on the forums.................
Individualism at it's best (or worst).
To pretend you don't like in a society is delusional (as our place in society has a measurable impact on our physical & mental well-being) & only seeks to rationalize being a poor excuse for a human being in lacking empathy for the suffering caused by the vast differences in equality of opportunity the people of this nation are given.
Such ideas only work within the confines of a perfect meritocracy - but in a world in which economic privilege directly influences your statistical probability to succeed it simply isn't so.
What makes it worse is this flawed view of reality is used to justify undue & unjustifiable penalties against the poor, unfortunate & unprivileged.
It simply doesn't marry up with the scientific view of human behaviour & is based entirely on ideology.
If the goal was to create people who wanted to make a contribution & not take from the state - then why I ask would somebody put changes into effect which caused more of the very behaviour they wish to combat?.
Therein lies the problem when people let ideology cloud reality.
The fact that many young people struggle to get rented accommodation is that Thatcher sold off all the council houses for pennies, so actually they do have a say.
Aspiring to own your own home just leads to fixed communities that lack the flexibility to move to better areas.
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I wasn't aware that political opinions had age restrictions....
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"We all feel the impact due to the fact that the Conservatives & New Labour both continued Thatchers neoliberal doctrine.
She said herself her most proud achievement was New Labour (if I recall correctly)"
What are you babbling on about? What did Dad say about her?
That makes sense. Wonder what was going on.
Do you pretty much do the same though? You certainly seem to be doing so with your interpretation of the "no such thing as society" interview.
It seems that ideology is only a bad thing when it is the other side.
Because Thatcher's reign has no effect on life today?
because they don't actually have the facts and are spouting bile 9 times out of 10.
I didn't care for her one way or the other, but I do know that ripping an old geriatric who likely died in a pool of her own urine isn't particularly classy tbh, and the younger generation seem to revel in this without even knowing the real facts either way, only the facts according to their parents / grandparents etc which will of course be loaded depending on where you were at the time.
i.e if my parents were from up north / wales and worked in heavy industry / mining I;d have grown up being told thatcher was the devil
however if my parents were derek trotter likes from down south and made good they'd be saying she was the saviour.
people generally can't be arsed to read the real facts and so take anecdotal evidence and apply it, using it as the basis of their views.
Firstly society does exist (so she is objectively wrong here), we are social creatures & the behaviour/attitudes of people outside of our key family unit impact on our own values & cultural attitudes.Do you pretty much do the same though? You certainly seem to be doing so with your interpretation of the "no such thing as society" interview.
It seems that ideology is only a bad thing when it is the other side.
Studies in psychology have shown to a great degree just how much the opinions & thoughts of others influence our perceptions (at multiple levels) - pretending we a collection of totally autonomous beings, self-made & forging our life isn't in line with our understanding of human behaviour.
The thoughts, values & aspirations of the people who grow up around directly influence our own, few people attempt to spend the time identifying flaws in perception or personal cognitive biases when evaluating difference views of evidence.
Also - as is the way with your usual off the cuff comments you make I'd like you for once to be a little bit more specific about "what I'm doing" - as if you have some genuine criticism then please give it, I'd be interested to see what you have to say.
Ideology is bad when you have a goal (in her case removing dependency from the state) but enact changes which decrease social mobility & equality of opportunity which in effect causes more dependence on the state.
It's identical to people who want to reduce crime rates, so suggest the death penalty & harsher punishes - old views for old problems with no basis in reality - which if enacted would increase the total crime rates.
This "self made man" is the same kind of historic simplistic nonsense as the "hang em high" brigade - as usual simple people attempting to apply simple solutions to complex problems.
You need to compare the ideology to the reality of achieving the desired outcome.
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political opinions are fine, spouting hate bile about a dead old woman is not. I see mostly bile rather than reasoned arguments when it comes to thatcher due to the high emotional non rational ranting that happens.
Again for the record I state I neither was for her or against her. She did some things well and other things teribbly.
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What a load of tosh. If that was the case no one should discuss Stalin or Julius Caesar either and we should strip history from the national curriculum.
Plus we're all still living with the after effects of Thatcherism (which is still very much an ongoing process btw if you read Labours manifesto!).
All of them? Why are you not upset at the current government who could create jobs and housing by funding the building of affordable housing? Most young people struggle to get rented accommodation because it is prohibitively expensive.
Just many?
I'm sure young people are capable of determining the legacy of a person without living through it or indeed being affected by it.
Of course many deails are lost and we need people like Dimple to pick out the undercurrents of history, but it's fairly clear that Thatcherism still affects young people.
If it's expensive then that's down to supply and demand, the lack of supply being the point here.
The current and past governments have supported affordable housing, it was just particulary stupid to sell off the housing stock in the first place only to expect the private sector to rebuild it - which they won't without being forced.
I'm sure young people are capable of determining the legacy of a person without living through it or indeed being affected by it.
Of course many deails are lost and we need people like Dimple to pick out the undercurrents of history, but it's fairly clear that Thatcherism still affects young people.
If it's expensive then that's down to supply and demand, the lack of supply being the point here.
The current and past governments have supported affordable housing, it was just particulary stupid to sell off the housing stock in the first place only to expect the private sector to rebuild it - which they won't without being forced.
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read my later posts explaining why I said it. Its in context of this forum. Political opinions are fine, bile spouting is without class. Those in the younger generation are mainly bile spouting as they haven't actually bothered to acquaint themselves with the facts in most case and simply adopt what ever views they heard from their parents / teahcers / adult source. Same goes for those bigging her up.
I take it you don't ever talk about the World Wars, or for that matter anything you didn't live through.
What an utterly stupid thing to say.
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