Baroness Thatcher has died.
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Thatcher to me will be remembered as a legend. A women with balls of steel. I am sick to death listening to the poor miners but very little about how they tried to hold the country to ransom.
Again we have the hunger strikers. Terrorists who 'chose' to starve themselves to death in their attempt to blackmail the British into their demands. Maggie stood her ground and kept the British policy to never negotiate with terrorists.
The list of good things she did goes on.......
A great PM is one that gets everyone talking even after they left their job 22/3 years later. What a women.
Again we have the hunger strikers. Terrorists who 'chose' to starve themselves to death in their attempt to blackmail the British into their demands. Maggie stood her ground and kept the British policy to never negotiate with terrorists.
The list of good things she did goes on.......
A great PM is one that gets everyone talking even after they left their job 22/3 years later. What a women.
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What?!? More than one? I'm leaving the country.
I will ignore your abusive name calling for now.
It is my firm opinion your post can be construed as broadly and unnecessarily anti miner. It is not unreasonable to interpret your post as such, again, fair minded people would agree imho.
I`m glad you have now agreed that the £60 a week mining apprentice thing was inaccurate. To me it was obviously so. In addition you now use the bizarre 'millionaires' thing in conjunction with the apprentices, this does not tie in with your original statement where the 'millionaires' were the miners.
May I clarify that I bear you no ill will at all, I took exception to your post and I feel justified, no one will change this.
How else could I describe someone repeatedly saying 'greedy miners'?, I don't think I`m being unreasonable and it wasn't meant as a jibe I can assure you, merely a description.
What if he genuinely believes miners were greedy?
, or do you mean JUST the Stoke miners 
Can you please stop labeling people who dont agree with you as unreasonable and not 'fair minded'. Its very insulting. The only people who took his comments as being applicable to all miners was you and the other chap from scotland from what I can see. Most people saw immediately that he was talking very specifically about his local area and his own experiences. If you read it differently, thats fine but please dont say that everyone who read it otherwise is unreasonable.
No.
Its not insulting.
Yeah you have asked all who have read this?
It has now boiled to down to a really weak case about what he 'meant', this after I have put to bed numerous wild allegations. I say again, imho it is not unreasonable to infer he was derogatory to miners.
Where did I label you unreasonable btw?
Im sorry but yes it is insulting. I read his comments and immediately saw he was talking about his own experiences in stoke. You have said I am unreasonable and not of fair mind simply because I read his comments in the way he has told us they were intended. It is insulting. Please stop it.
I dont take issue about it being derogatory to miners, I couldnt care less. To be honest, your posts have done far more damage to my image of miners than anything anyone else in here has said. If you disagree with people, fine but dont insult people simply because they read something in a different way to you.
Nah, it is. You are trying to belittle rather than accepting his experience is different to yours. You have an obvious chip on your shoulder about the miners and you are passing that off as debating a specific point but I don't think anyone is taken in by that.
If Dimple is anti miner you could be categorised as pro miner it might be said.
Yes I could be described as pro miner in the context of this discussion, that's fine.
I am not trying to belittle his experience, I am challenging the facts, and like it or not I have been successful.
No? No what?
You WERE insulting. I was insulted by your comments. You do it many times in this thread. Instead of just arguing the issues, you insult people who dont agree with your take on things. Unreasonable, not fair minded...'argue like a woman'? Seriously? How offensively sexist.
and here is the quote for you, from a few hours ago. Once again, anyone who thinks differently to you cannot be reasonable.
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The absolute majority of my mates were Miners but they were greedy and only made so by Scargill. Nowhere did I ever say I disliked them and I even stood on the picket line with them. All of those that I ended up working with accepted they had been greedy but all said they were pressurised into striking.
The £60 wage wasn't innacurate, that is what they earned if not more backed up by my imaginary brother in law.
'Miners' whether they were adults or apprentices were 'millionaires' compared to the rest of the other working men in the City.
(disclaimer: yes I know they weren't actually millionaires and I'm sorry if you thought that I thought they were but the maths didn't add up anyway)
Also take into account that I have never called you a liar for your 'experiences' like I have never done with anybody on here. As far as I'm concerned you are telling the truth and I expect the same respect back especially when you did not live in Stoke so have zero idea what went on.
If it's anything like most of the stuff that was privatised by Thatcher/Blair it was privatised during the second world war.
Not many people who advocate government ownership of all the things sold off ever mention that most was only in public hands for less than 50 years.
It is important to you to be right I see. Personally I think all you have proven is you are unwilling to accept another persons perspective as different to yours. Being pro miner is hardly an objective standpoint in this debate is it. I don't think you have been as successful as you think, sorry.
LOL, I see what you did there. You said I said you were unreasonable and I didn't. AGAIN, show me where I said you were unreasonable.
Hang on you are offended by the whimsical woman allegory but Dimple can say 'greedy miners' but oh no that's all fine and dandy.
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