Oh now you want to argue semantics. I see what type of person you are.
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Oh now you want to argue semantics. I see what type of person you are.
You misrepresented the reality, you trumpeted that the apprentices made roughly £60 a week, now again, ANY FAIR MINDED PERSON would take that as a normal week. You now have substantially changed this and claim some vague circumstances that allowed them to make £60 by working extra hours or something?, come on it is obvious to all that is at a very minimum a hugely dubious thing to venture in this debate.
No I don't, and I`m not stupid enough to fall for your transparent play on semantics. FACT is YOU said I said you were unreasonable, that is incorrect. You may infer that if you fit the described criteria I may have the opinion that you are unreasonable, now there's clarity.
Pathetic. Not worth my time. Goodbye newbiejim. First use of the ignore list.
Do you accept my perspective?
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You are now trolling.
Mining Apprentices could easily earn £60/week where other Apprentices around the City only had their basic wage.
They earned a lot more than us - FACT.
Now I have never called you a liar so show me some respect.
Bye, I bear you no ill will at all btw and I`m sure you're a fine citizen, as am I, no hard feelings.
As your perspective yes, of course.
BUT you DID call me a dick
, I`m not saying you are a liar, I`m saying the facts as you presented them may have been coloured by time and your personal experience. I feel its acceptable to have an opinion, and to have it challenged.
Please say you're not aiming that comment at "climategate"? The made up media story that was extrapolated out of all proportions by the media, before the inquiry proved nothing had actually beed hidden/falsified... (The media didn't really report that bit...)
Are you reading the same post as everyone else...?
lol nicely qualified,well I too accept your perspective, as yours of course.
Are you reading the same post as everyone else...?
Yes, honestly that is my take on it.
LOL, thank you, or do you mean JUST the Stoke miners
Plenty of people think they were greedy, so what's funny?
But not Dimples?
BTW I am not trolling, if ALL you are saying is 'they earned a lot more than us' then that's absolutely fine and I believe that. Stuff I don't believe or take issue with I have detailed.
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BUT you DID call me a dick
Of course it is, you have your experiences in your area and I had mine.
I also had to give handouts to many Miner friends who hit hard times and every one I knew wanted to go back to work but scared to do so.
All of them were talked into going on strike for greed and let's face it, 100% suffered for it.
Plenty of people think they were greedy, so what's funny?
Its funny because if he did think they were greedy ('miners' that is like you said) that includes ALL miners (and why would you think that from his post eh? I mean he CLEARLY just has an issue with Stoke miners) AND that kinda qualifies him to be anti miner, y'know the term that you were so aghast about?, so its funny on a few levels.
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In what dictionary does greedy miner = anti miner or disliked miner?
You should stop reading in between the lines and read the EXACT words on the page.
Indeed....the fact was that the Miners were not universally supported by the public, in fact the majority were against the miners, increasingly so the longer the strike went on. The Miners also did earn substantially more than the majority of people not in the mining industry (and like the Tube Drivers, were consistant in demanding ever increasing percentage rises), the tactics employed by the NUM and its members were widely seen as both inappropiate and irresponsible by the public and many pits were indeed closed shops where if you did not have a family or Union member already working in the pit then you were extremely unlikely to get a job or apprenticeship.
Dimple is essentially correct albeit anecdotally, for example the Miners accepted a 9.3% pay increase a year before the strike despite the NUM calling for Strike Action for more, the NUM was one of the most militant and powerful unions in Europe and the Coal Industry was in steep decline (like the Steel Industry before it) and the taxpayer could no longer subsidise huge losses in unproductive mines. The claim that Miners could (and did) earn millionaires wages is also not too wide of the mark, in 1983 a Miner could (with overtime) earn up to £600-£800 a week...this in a year when the average weekly wage was around £100, to a fella on £75 a week, coal miners wages would seem like a millionaires salary....British Coal made a loss of over £700m in the year before the strike, equivalent to £1.4bn today...this was clearly unsustainable. Something had to be done and uneconomic mines had to be closed. The NUM called a strike (even without ballots) and subsequently many pits were closed, not because they were unproductive, but because the NUM tactics forced the engineers to stop maintaining the pits so they became unviable and dangerous. The Govt wasn't the only agitator in this, Scargill and the NUM need to face up to their proportion of the blame as well.
Having said that, it was clear also that the pit closures without significant investment in other industries would mean a steep decline in mining regions, and the govt failed to address this, leaving many communities still feeling the effects today.
BUT you DID call me a dick
Finally something we can all agree on...
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