sure it could work in a silly way, just like the avengers - but they tried to make MOS a bit more grown up. And batman certainly was.
in a grown up world i can't see batman and superman inhabiting the same universes without drastic changes to both.
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
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sure it could work in a silly way, just like the avengers - but they tried to make MOS a bit more grown up. And batman certainly was.
in a grown up world i can't see batman and superman inhabiting the same universes without drastic changes to both.
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I actually thought that the Ironman and Thor fight was quite pathetic, Thor should have destroyed Ironman quite easily and quickly, being the god that he is (of course that didn't happen for obvious reasons). As for a Superman and Batman fight, well, it would just be an very quick annihilation for Batman, there's no to ways about it. Batman was broken by Bain quite easily, so putting him in a vs match up against Supes would just be silly and over exaggerated. Neither one would die as the world (in the film) needs both, so a fight between them would just be another Ironman vs Thor scenario (exaggerated).
Pretty much this.
Pretty much this.
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The way I looked at the DC stuff (especially after Nolan's Batman, Smallville, and now Arrow) was that it was more grounded in the 'Real World' - Magic & Gods are harder to imagine whereas the Marvel stuff it is more 'comic book' - bright colors, mere mortals able to go toe to toe with superhumans/godlike beings, comic book physics, no sense of danager etc.
It will be interesting to see how DC bring in Wonder Women, Flash & reboot Green Lantern to fit into a JL movie/MoS universe.
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The thing is, Thor would have destroyed Iron Man if Cap hadn't stepped in and stopped them fighting.
Iron Man had the advantage initially purely because of the surprise factor (Thor wouldn't have expected to have such a powerful opponent on Earth and Iron Man didn't fight like any foe he had faced) Iron Man already knew about Thor and his capabilities.
Iron Man had the advantage initially purely because of the surprise factor (Thor wouldn't have expected to have such a powerful opponent on Earth and Iron Man didn't fight like any foe he had faced) Iron Man already knew about Thor and his capabilities.
I know that this is more for a wider audience than anything else. I totally get where Warners are going with this in terms of money making.
I just don't want them to screw this up. It has the potential to be epically awesome. The potential to be the biggest selling box office superhero/comic book movie ever!
But! It also has the potential to bomb epically. They just need the right formula. And everyone (not just the geeks, like myself) will enjoy it a lot.
I know a lot of the average movie goers will expect this, that or the other. But those of us who know the characters inside and out will look deeper into things. Easter eggs, nods, hints, etc. We still don't know if this decision to put Batman into the sequel was Warner's or Zack's idea. I am going with the former because I know how protective they are of the Big Two!
There is so much speculation coming out of this announcement and the buzz it is creating is what Warners want right now. People are talking. Not just comic book fans, but movie fans as a whole. I've already spoken to a couple of guys at work about it. Neither of them are comic book readers but both are looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.
I just don't want them to screw this up. It has the potential to be epically awesome. The potential to be the biggest selling box office superhero/comic book movie ever!
But! It also has the potential to bomb epically. They just need the right formula. And everyone (not just the geeks, like myself) will enjoy it a lot.
I know a lot of the average movie goers will expect this, that or the other. But those of us who know the characters inside and out will look deeper into things. Easter eggs, nods, hints, etc. We still don't know if this decision to put Batman into the sequel was Warner's or Zack's idea. I am going with the former because I know how protective they are of the Big Two!
There is so much speculation coming out of this announcement and the buzz it is creating is what Warners want right now. People are talking. Not just comic book fans, but movie fans as a whole. I've already spoken to a couple of guys at work about it. Neither of them are comic book readers but both are looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.
Im more of the opinion that after the success of Nolans Batman, anything that uses Batman is going to ruin him further. I just dont want a reimagining of Batman if we cant get anything like what we got in the Nolan era, hell Id rather have nothing.
The last thing I want to see is a buddy cop film with Superman and Batman in. Superman as far as Im concern needs to disappear from film, he just doesnt work on the format as it will never pick up the nuances to make him anything but a one dimensional character. After the mediocre MoS (which still isnt the worst Superman film by a distance the bar is that low) I just have no taste to see Superman on the big screen, so why IMHO ruin Batman to shovel Supes down our throats...
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The last thing I want to see is a buddy cop film with Superman and Batman in. Superman as far as Im concern needs to disappear from film, he just doesnt work on the format as it will never pick up the nuances to make him anything but a one dimensional character. After the mediocre MoS (which still isnt the worst Superman film by a distance the bar is that low) I just have no taste to see Superman on the big screen, so why IMHO ruin Batman to shovel Supes down our throats...
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DC seem far to desperate to copy Marvel with their unified universe. Why not just make good films with your characters? They don't mesh together at all so don't start forcing them together. Why not just hire some competent directors and writers to make good Green Lantern/Flash/Superman etc films.
Im more of the opinion that after the success of Nolans Batman, anything that uses Batman is going to ruin him further. I just dont want a reimagining of Batman if we cant get anything like what we got in the Nolan era, hell Id rather have nothing.
The last thing I want to see is a buddy cop film with Superman and Batman in. Superman as far as Im concern needs to disappear from film, he just doesnt work on the format as it will never pick up the nuances to make him anything but a one dimensional character. After the mediocre MoS (which still isnt the worst Superman film by a distance the bar is that low) I just have no taste to see Superman on the big screen, so why IMHO ruin Batman to shovel Supes down our throats...
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Then for you, it's very simple. Ignore the movie when it comes out. Let those of us who want to see Superman on the big screen, go see it and enjoy it as best as possible.
It's not for everyone. But then not everything in this world is meant for everyone. As the saying goes: "You just can't please everybody."
Because then people will be asking "Why are they making these solo movies and not putting them in the same universe?"
Yes, Warners are desperate. We know that. Warners have said that Superman will be their "Iron Man" for their shared universe. He will still have his solo outings even after Justice League (hopefully). But for now. Let's at least look forward to what the sequel does and go from there. Still have Flash coming in 2016 (still yet to be confirmed!) and of course Justice League in 2017!
People will say that Warners are rushing their movies. But Marvel made 6 movies in 4 years. By 2015, they will have made 12 movies. That's including Ant-Man which kicks off Phase 3.
Warners need a game plan much like Marvel have done. People are just thinking they are rushing. They're not. They have a plan. They just haven't quite finalised it to tell everyone about it.
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Who has asked that?
Who saw Dark Knight and said "Well that was a really great film but it was a shame it didn't have The Flash in it."?
If anything most places I've seen have been begging for this not to happen.
Real shame that Green Lantern was a massive failure, could have been to the DC universe/WB gamplan what Iron Man was to Marvel/Disney.
Strange, ever since Avengers was annouced most places I've seen have been begging for JL movie
Well Warners kinda stepped on their own feet when a logo appeared in the movie "I Am Legend". A year later Iron Man is released. 4 years later Avengers.
Justice League movie was in the process of being made back in 2007. Cast was set, including Lone Ranger frontman Armie Hammer set to play Batman. Then it fell through epically. That's when Warners gave up on the idea.
But now that they have seen what Marvel have done and the success of Man Of Steel so far. No better time if you ask me. And yes, people have been begging for a Justice League movie long before Marvel even thought of making the Avengers.
Agreed. I still don't know why that movie was made when it didn't bear any fruit at all. Too many people got involved with the making of the movie. The cast was wrong. Certain characters were underused and others should never have appeared in the first place.
They could have used Green Lantern to open the DCU but they missed that boat.
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I've seen two types of article about a JL movie:
Ones talking about how it's doomed to fail
Ones talking about how they could get round it's obvious problems.
Not sure what I Am Legend has to do with it really, unless you're suggesting Marvel started MCU based on that easter egg?
Ones talking about how it's doomed to fail
Ones talking about how they could get round it's obvious problems.
Not sure what I Am Legend has to do with it really, unless you're suggesting Marvel started MCU based on that easter egg?
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You say they don't mesh together, but the Justice League has managed to stick around for over 50 years in the comics.
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Comics do not equal movies. A lot of things happen in comics that would fail utterly in movies (and I say that as a fan of both mediums) The success of the MCU has shown that you need to consider what works and what doesn't. DC have made this mistake and it's one they need to learn from. They should be looking at how they can adapt their IP's to a film universe (unified if they really have to 'do a Marvel') (see Batman)