BBC document on Covid (Health Service) and Racism

When I saw the tittle, my immediate reaction is that it is going to be about ethnic minority’s social background and a link to poorer level of income and opportunities. But the segment I watched was about NHS and how the services is inherently biased. Which struck me a bit.

as I said I haven’t watch the whole thing. But the segment I watched is a bit of a revelation.
 
Malevolence said:
Just another round of race baiting from the BBC. No doubt it will hook the usual suspects though.
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Lol. You watched it before forming that view? Or is that just a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience? What do they call that again?

How ironic.
 
Wait i thought that some of these communities had the lowest levels of employment?

On the other hand we also keep getting told that these low paid jobs, if immigrants don't do them no one will, so we need them.

Now what we are saying is that instead of making plans to ensure safety of people doing these jobs, we should have more racial ethnic white people doing them so that more of them die instead, which would be totally cool, because ... if someone has to die let it be someone else so it isn't perceived as racist against a minority?
 
just watched through the documentary. largely agree with David's finding and the fact that the politician (not sure she is in governemnt or from opposition) also highlight a strong link between covid death/hospitalisation rate to many of the factors David highlighted in the first 40min of the video is pretty blatant.

David has obviously linked to minority's socia-economic and geographical conditions to systemic racism - which is probably true as attitudes takes generations to change.

I dont feel he has explored anywhere near enough details in the latter part of his vidoe - such as the segment i watched where the lady doctor was saying minority represent 44% NHS doctors and 95% of those doctors died are minority. I think using death rate is probably a very narrow narrative to link covid and insitutional racism in NHS and she speculated difference in roles but with no backup on statistics or any real study. also I believe the number of doctors died are very small 33 (and please visit the link below to pay respect to these fallen heroes) so to draw any conclusive statistics is quite difficult.

https://www.bmj.com/covid-memorial

is there is a link between racism and covid - yes for sure. the simple fact is that minority people aren't dying in the nearly same % of their native population as they are in our society. so it has to do with something in this country or the western society. race or a consideration of race in our society has to be a massive part of that. however I cant help to think multiculturalism and other factors are in play also.
 
I think the argument goes that more poor people are likely to die, and that more black people are poor. Therefore racism.
 
I wonder if that explains the correlation between "Let it rip" types and racists... win-win in their eyes.
 
The Running Man said:
What are you saying, that covid itself discriminates based upon race/ethnicity?

Or that people from poor backgrounds are more likely to die?
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More likely to have hypertension, be obese, have a severe deficiency in vitamin D, all factors that make them more likely to be hospitalized (as data proves), or structural/institutional racism, it's all the same thing now apparantly.
 
pc-guy said:
is there is a link between racism and covid - yes for sure. the simple fact is that minority people aren't dying in the nearly same % of their native population as they are in our society. so it has to do with something in this country or the western society. race or a consideration of race in our society has to be a massive part of that. however I cant help to think multiculturalism and other factors are in play also.
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Just because there is a relationship between race and death doesn't make it racism. It is the cause of that relationship which may, or may not, indicate racism.
 
Pretty sure during the bubonic plague the poor also suffered.

This wasn't racist it was just because they were most impacted as they couldn't flee, had to work etc...

You could argue any of these issues adversely impact socioeconomic groups differently.

Why certain races are over represented in these groups is an entirely different conversation.
 
Hades said:
Just because there is a relationship between race and death doesn't make it racism. It is the cause of that relationship which may, or may not, indicate racism.
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Yes but there is an agenda at play here. Everything is about racism.
 
Hades said:
Just because there is a relationship between race and death doesn't make it racism. It is the cause of that relationship which may, or may not, indicate racism.
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proabbly should have wrote that better myself. should have said below

is there is a link between race and covid - yes for sure
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as the lady doctor said, there is no genetic marker for race that make it more covid prone such that covid should hit certain race more than others. the fact people of race in their native country are dying as much.
 
I watched some of the programme. Sadly with a title like "why is covid killing people of colour?" gives off the impression that we as a society are making a conscious decision to allow the bame community to die, when this isnt the case.

There are many reasons why certain ethnic groups are dying more than other ethnic groups, as there are many reasons why certain countries are suffering more deaths than other countries.
 
BowdonUK said:
I watched some of the programme. Sadly with a title like "why is covid killing people of colour?" gives off the impression that we as a society are making a conscious decision to allow the bame community to die, when this isnt the case.

There are many reasons why certain ethnic groups are dying more than other ethnic groups, as there are many reasons why certain countries are suffering more deaths than other countries.
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Did they question if large illegal gatherings for the BLM demos impacted the overall infection rate?
 
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