Belgian Grand Prix 2014, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12/19

Deliberately placing your car in a position which means the car infront WILL crash in to you, by taking the normal racing line, is the same as punting someone off tbh.

The end result is the same. Deliberate contact.

I'd like to see Mercedes replace Rosberg for 1 race. After all, the team only care about the WCC, so a replacement driver could bag the points. Where's the issue? ;)
 
drunkenmaster said:
No longer go for a gap which exists is not the same, even if it uses the same words, as going for a gap that no longer exists. The latter is what happened, Rosberg didn't even go for a gap that didn't exist, his wing was directly alongside Hamilton's rear tire, there was ONE possible result by turning right at that point, contact, he did it anyway. Gap or not, all completely pointless to discuss. When he turned right on Hamilton and made contact there was no other possible result. If he was trying to pass him, why turn into his wheel, if he was trying to get in behind him... he was no longer trying to pass him, and why if he was trying that did he smack across the entire wheel, not just catch the trailing edge. He misjudged slipping in behind him by a half metre? when these guys race inches apart many times throughout the season.

he hit him, on purpose, it has nothing to do with over taking, going for a gap. There was no gap, he went for an overtake down the straight, he didn't make it stick, there was 0% chance of overtaking once Hamilton hit the apex first and with the distance ahead he was, Rosberg then chose to hit Hamilton.
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I'm not disagreeing he did it on purpose.

He parked his car in Monaco in qualy as well, a little more subtle I guess but that's the way he has chosen to play this game.

Still not worthy of the OMG type hysteria going on in this thread. How dare anyone, at best make a bad judgement call, at worst prang into another driver.


EVH said:
Deliberately placing your car in a position which means the car infront WILL crash in to you, by taking the normal racing line, is the same as punting someone off tbh.

The end result is the same. Deliberate contact.

I'd like to see Mercedes replace Rosberg for 1 race. After all, the team only care about the WCC, so a replacement driver could bag the points. Where's the issue? ;)
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Lol replacement driver. Which planet are you on?

Rosberg is the guy Merc has resigned until 2017 not Lewis.

Mercedes can say what they want in the public eye but they are to Rosberg what RBR are to Vettel.

Obviously they want Lewis to win, they have paid enough for his services, but Rosberg taking the world championship is just as good for them if not better as he also happens to be German.
 
Setroc said:
It seemed like fact. Hamilton said what he said, then an official Merc spokesman confirmed that what Hamilton said was accurate. Now we are hearing something different from Toto, and the spokesman has changed the story from saying Hamilton was accurate to saying that only the "proving a point" quote was accurate.

With such backpedalling it looks to me like Toto is putting a positive spin on the whole thing to negate the possibility of the FIA reopening a case.

What we need now is a transcript or at least exact quotes of what Nico said to be released. If they don't do this then it looks like merc are just covering their asses with their latest statement.

Back to the incident itself I'm surprised the FIA didn't investigate the collision in the first place. Where one driver gains an advantage over another by causing a collision there needs to be penalties applied. The FIA seems to have gone from one extreme of penalising absolutely everything even when no penalty was necessary to penalising absolutely nothing.
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There is nothing for the FIA to open an investigation over, its he said /she said.

You think they are going to record debriefs? Highly unlikely

1stly its debatable who caused the collision, 2nd not avoiding a collision (which is what Rosberg did) is not the same as causing one. Its completely 50/50 which is why there was no penalty during the race however hotheaded LH fans want to get about it
 
FrankJH said:
1stly its debatable who caused the collision
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lulwut?

FrankJH said:
2nd not avoiding a collision (which is what Rosberg did) is not the same as causing one.
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I would agree with this.. HAD Rosberg apologised for this.

FrankJH said:
Its completely 50/50 which is why there was no penalty during the race however hotheaded LH fans want to get about it
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Im as much a Rosberg fan as I am a Hamilton fan.
But what I saw yesterday beggars belief.
 
I'm not sure what Rosberg would have to gain by saying he purposely crashed so it would seem more believeable to think he said he was "proving a point" by leaving his car there and knowing if the other driver didn't deviate there could be a coming together. We have seen this many times before and I imagine we will see it many times again, ithe same with the drivers who purposely push a driver out wide off the track and there was that going on in the race too.

Would be interesting to know what Rosberg actually said though.
 
Bernie's the real winner out of this. Another great race at Spa with loads to talk about, so he can again start talk about only racing there every other year. Increased race fee and memories of that £60 million settlement will soon disappear :)
 
Its a bit silly of Rosberg I reckon, because surely in his mind of minds he knew that a coming together with Hamilton will almost certainly take out his front wing or part of it and there was a chance that Hamiltons tyre could have held (i.e. reference Alonso Vs Vettel).

He was extremely lucky to get away with it (from a rules as well as a haul of points point of view).
 
HAHA WHAT DID I SAY?

Cavallino said:
Rosberg has shot himself in the foot, this is now no longer an internal team issue since Rosberg has (indirectly) admitted to driving dangerously.
The FIA will be all over this like a rash, and...
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Cavallino said:
If a driver openly admits to causing a collision (which as far as my memory serves me, we have not heard since... well days of Senna/Prost?), then surely FIA must intervene, otherwise they will be...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28922696

"Nico Rosberg could be punished by FIA after Lewis Hamilton clash"
 
Cavallino said:
Its a bit silly of Rosberg I reckon, because surely in his mind of minds he knew that a coming together with Hamilton will almost certainly take out his front wing or part of it and there was a chance that Hamiltons tyre could have held (i.e. reference Alonso Vs Vettel).

He was extremely lucky to get away with it (from a rules as well as a haul of points point of view).
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He is German and we are talking about Hamilton here. The luck was always with Rosberg :p
 
Silly Rosberg but to be honest i dont think anything will come of it as it was clearly a racing incident. Be interested to see what, if anything, transpires in the next few days though!
 
Cavallino said:
I realise could. You are correct :)
But still, it kind of corroborates most peoples thoughts on the incident and where the liability lies.
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Does nothing of the sort, yes the British press will partisan and 'some' British fans also but this proves nothing as there has been no official statement to back up on what you are saying....
 
Nismo said:
Could.

It's just Benson writing a crap story as usual based on the same "facts" everyone else has.
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Exactly people are getting bent out of shape on a conversation we don't know anything about the context of how something was said or how heated it was. How Rosberg is, you can just imagine him saying **** you I did it on purpose if it was a heated as hinted by Wolff.

Then Hamilton has come out and said that to the press. Wolff has changed the context of how it was said but it's too late. Poorly handled all round by Mercedes management but mostly by Rosberg because he has the hump.

Horner must be laughing his backside off.
 
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When you can choose to avoid a collision and don't, it is exactly no different to saying I could chose not to crash but do... they are logically equivalent.

But as I've said before, the key problem with Toto's attempted get out of jail rewording of the same sentence, is that the video 100% shows that Rosberg pulled away then actively chose to turn in to Hamilton when there was a 100% chance of contact.

Regardless of Toto's attempting to get out of trouble, the video shows Rosberg deliberately causing a crash, if you're denying that when the wing is fully alongside the rear wheel and you choose to turn that wing into the rear wheel that it's not a deliberate action... you're mental.

This is the problem, the video straight away long before the end of the race put the fault 100% on Rosberg the ONLY question was if he accidentally hit him by misjudging it when trying to get in behind Hamilton or if he deliberately hit him. He's since said he deliberately made that action... end of, there is no argument, the precise wording is irrelevant. Toto says Rosberg did what he did deliberately, Hamilton says it, that part is agreed on, so Rosberg says he did it deliberately and the video shows us what he did deliberately, turn into Hamilton causing a contact... deliberately.

Lets frame it this way, if two people are going down a straight, one alongside the rear wheel of the guy in front, and the guy behind turns on in him, hits him and basically ruins the other guys race.... if afterwards he says "I deliberately chose to move back onto the racing line"..... are we going to say he didn't cause a crash just because he what... wanted to get on the line he wanted? It's literally insane anyone would buy it, without a motive to wilfully ignore common sense, which is why the people who are wilfully ignoring Rosberg's clear and deliberate actions on video, which two people have confirmed as Rosberg saying he did it deliberately.

How much of a troll do you have to be to ignore clear video evidence backed up by two people(one who has literally nothing to gain and a lot to lose by saying it) witnessing Rosberg call it a deliberate action(regardless of phrasing, particularly when the phrases are logically equivalent).
 
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So Hamilton, who is always hot headed, came out saying 'he did it on purpose' and everyone believed him?
 
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