Err no it's not about mm it's about a train of thought to continue your steering one way or the other. i.e. You turn right knowing your wing will catch the rear tyre so you turn away immediately as to make the damage as little as possible. Or you keep on turning into that tyre to ensure as much damage as possible is caused. Doesn't take the best driver in the world to do that.
Belgian Grand Prix 2014, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12/19
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I think the opposite. The only reason Rosberg made that desperate attempt to overtake was because he knew that was probably his last incredibly slim chance at getting at Lewis. In reality he was never getting past him through that chicane and probably for the rest of the race (bar any technical problems/rain)
and realise that Rosberg is a dirty little weasel who will do anything to win
No chance, the very fact Rosberg did this stupidity is because everyone including himself knew that Hamilton would pull away.
What I find crazy is the lack of foresight shown by Rosberg for choosing to let a collision happen.
Brundle spoke to Pirelli after the race and highlighted how small the area of the tyre is that you have to make contact with where a causing a puncture is virtually guaranteed, so on balance you'd have to assume that your wing will almost definitely get damaged, whereas the car your making contact with probably won't get a puncture.
Why take that risk? he'd have had DRS next lap and could have sailed past Hamilton. Hell, even if he'd finished second he would still lead the championship.
Brundle spoke to Pirelli after the race and highlighted how small the area of the tyre is that you have to make contact with where a causing a puncture is virtually guaranteed, so on balance you'd have to assume that your wing will almost definitely get damaged, whereas the car your making contact with probably won't get a puncture.
Why take that risk? he'd have had DRS next lap and could have sailed past Hamilton. Hell, even if he'd finished second he would still lead the championship.
What a load of rubbish. There was no precision in it, he decided to leave his car on the racing line knowing it would cause a collision.
He was annoyed and frustrated that he had lost first place to his biggest rival and decided to gamble both of their cars in the hope he would come out ahead. He did.
Toto and Lauda were annoyed because of this and are now looking at giving Rosberg punishment.
As you already know(don't know why you're arguing) you normally here when this kind of thing happens
Driver-what the hell was he trying to do? his wrecked my car.
engineer-We saw that. Yes we saw that.We will get on to Charlie now.
And because the team never asked the stewards to look in to it they didn't. Simples really.
And they only team to have ever done it was McLaren.
That and how Rosbery still carried a chit in his shoulder from Monaco, but, you know, Lewis is the one "weak minded"
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It was a racing incident and nothing more.
Racing is a massive psychological game, Hamilton tried to force his way over and push Rosberg out, Rosberg decided to stay put and take his chances.
It happens in many overtakes or attempts, and usually 1 driver backs down and gives up, occasionally, both drivers stick to their guns, and there's an incident.
It's racing, and nothing more imo.
Racing is a massive psychological game, Hamilton tried to force his way over and push Rosberg out, Rosberg decided to stay put and take his chances.
It happens in many overtakes or attempts, and usually 1 driver backs down and gives up, occasionally, both drivers stick to their guns, and there's an incident.
It's racing, and nothing more imo.
I think it was fairly clear where Mercedes saw the blame. Hamilton has done himself no favours by relaying what was said behind closed doors post race and Mercedes themselves have now done a quick back pedal going from saying that Hamilton's remarks were broadly correct to saying that he misinterpreted what was said.
All in all I think the one who is likely to get the biggest slap on the wrist is Toto. Why bother to hang Nico before even speaking to the drivers. Even if he was clearly at fault in the opinion of the team I'd have expected an on the fence "We'll be having words with our drivers to work out what has happened because our cars coming together on track is not acceptable". Instead they have forced their own hand to take action and Hamilton's comments, which could have been interpreted as sour grapes had the team not already passed judgement, will almost certainly force FIA action, especially with Mercedes initially stating their was truth in it.
The last thing Mercedes would have wanted was the FIA getting involved. Whatever the circumstances they took away a second place from that race that may now be jeopardised or future races effected.
On a complete tangent I really hope this growing trend of parking the car with 10 laps to go because their is no chance of points is nipped in the bud. I don't want there to be 11 cars finishing every race because sometimes there is good racing to be had outside the points.
All in all I think the one who is likely to get the biggest slap on the wrist is Toto. Why bother to hang Nico before even speaking to the drivers. Even if he was clearly at fault in the opinion of the team I'd have expected an on the fence "We'll be having words with our drivers to work out what has happened because our cars coming together on track is not acceptable". Instead they have forced their own hand to take action and Hamilton's comments, which could have been interpreted as sour grapes had the team not already passed judgement, will almost certainly force FIA action, especially with Mercedes initially stating their was truth in it.
The last thing Mercedes would have wanted was the FIA getting involved. Whatever the circumstances they took away a second place from that race that may now be jeopardised or future races effected.
On a complete tangent I really hope this growing trend of parking the car with 10 laps to go because their is no chance of points is nipped in the bud. I don't want there to be 11 cars finishing every race because sometimes there is good racing to be had outside the points.
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When teams are forced to look after engines so much to make them last, this will be happening for a long time to come.
How did Hamilton try and force Rosberg over and push him out? Hamilton was a car length ahead and planted right on the correct racing line. He was exactly where he should have been at that exact point in time. Rosberg was the one off line and behind and acting like a nob.
I'm simply amazed people are saying Hamilton was party to the incident, the guy did absolutely nothing wrong.
Hamilton was racing nobody except himself, we missed nothing exciting from him. He should have parked it earlier to preserve his engine and components, especially as he burned them all 4 weeks ago and is a whole lot down on Rosberg.
He took the normal racing line. The only way Rosberg would have made the move work would be if Hamilton was off the racing line to the right more and would have missed the apex.
Its OcUK, its become impossible to tell the people who genuinely are retarded from those who deliberately post tripe to try and stir up a 'traditional OcUK thread trash'.
Best to just treat all idiotic replies with humour and hope the trolls get bored from not getting a bite.
Or just go somewhere else to talk seriously and sensibly about F1.
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But the move wasn't uncommon, put your car in a position and force the driver to back down.
Usually, 1 of the 2 drivers would back out and give room, this time, neither driver backed down, win some lose some etc.
I know you're right but there are some things worth defending however exasperating it is.
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Yes, I don't see an issue.
Neither driver did anything wrong, many overtakes rely on another driver giving way and backing down. If neither driver backs out and gives room you will have a collision.
Can't find specific regulation for defending a position in a turn, but I imagine it's similar to that on a straight which states:
20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.
Since Rosberg's wing was alongside the rear tyre of Hamilton, he was just as entitled to space, as Hamilton was entitled to run wide. That incident relied on 1 of the 2 drivers backing down and giving up their on track entitlement to avoid it. Sometimes this doesn't happen, and they collided, it was a racing incident.
Neither driver was in the wrong imo.
I'd agree that it was silly for Rosberg to attempt a pass so early in the race like that, but I wouldn't say that the move was illegal.
Neither driver did anything wrong, many overtakes rely on another driver giving way and backing down. If neither driver backs out and gives room you will have a collision.
Can't find specific regulation for defending a position in a turn, but I imagine it's similar to that on a straight which states:
20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.
Since Rosberg's wing was alongside the rear tyre of Hamilton, he was just as entitled to space, as Hamilton was entitled to run wide. That incident relied on 1 of the 2 drivers backing down and giving up their on track entitlement to avoid it. Sometimes this doesn't happen, and they collided, it was a racing incident.
Neither driver was in the wrong imo.
I'd agree that it was silly for Rosberg to attempt a pass so early in the race like that, but I wouldn't say that the move was illegal.